Glenn Beck's 'restore honor' rally...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Yup Sharpton and his goons should make for a good show.

I knew the racisist card would quickly come out. Sure as the sun rises.

I read that Sharpton is dedicating a place by the Lincoln Memorial to King on the same day. Personally, I would reschedule this usless rally of Becks and allow Sharpton to go on with the dediction. I'm not a Sharpton fan but I see this is the right thing to do concerning dedicating the piece of land for the memorial.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

We signed the Wellington Declaration a couple of years ago and it came into effect the beginning of this month...that means we have a load of cluster munitions we need to get rid of...if you can lend us the aircraft...we could solve two problems in one.

Sorry but we can't even afford to keep our aircraft flying anymore. Have you seen our Air Force lately? Its down to oversize RC Planes. Best we can do is give you something to violate Declaration 1 of the Hague Convention of 1899.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Judging by the polls, I'm not sure he's done any harm at all.

Hey, I agree that the guy's a bit of a loon. But he certainly is striking a chord with people.

Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time. As a Paleo-Conservative, I find myself completely disheartened by the state of affairs in the Republican Party.

And one should not take dissatisfaction with the current party in power as tacit approval of the opposing party. That would be foolish. Personally, I am not happy with the current state of the Democratic Party governement, but at the same time cannot think of a single Republican candidate of whom I would be more confident. It is a sad state of affairs, and likely contributes to my disgust with the political.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sorry but we can't even afford to keep our aircraft flying anymore. Have you seen our Air Force lately? Its down to oversize RC Planes. Best we can do is give you something to violate Declaration 1 of the Hague Convention of 1899.

Well, it worked for Germany in 1915

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

I suppose he could be qualified as a libertarian in some respects, but he's more of a Bob Barr than a Ron Paul. Tak is right about his social engineering. Whatever his economic beliefs, Beck has a very conservative moral message, which places him squarely in the ranks of traditional Republicans on most societal issues. Just look at the article. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that, so long as moral messages are not confused with policy.

I'm actually happy that Beck and the Tea Partiers are providing an impetus for a classic platform shift for Republicans, as they have a poor history of fulfilling the promises of smaller government and greater economic freedoms. It may not pay off in the elections this year or even in 2012(partially because the tea party is producing a bull-moose party effect), but it will pay off as this recession continues to drag on and the independents grow increasingly disillusioned with Democratic attempts at recovery. A free economy, I believe, is the most important element in liberty. Though I try to live by conservative moral codes it is anathema to me to try to impose them upon anyone else without their consent. With economic freedom comes societal freedom as people are freed from the shackles of subsistence. Socialism, and whatever so-called "third-way" euphemism is substituted for it, on the other hand, breeds dependence, poverty, and a reduction of liberties. Better to live in Singapore than India.

The silver lining to the two-party cloud is that the Dems will be forced to take the opposite tack from the Republicans' new platform/initiative and strain their vernacular and rhetoric to the maximum in an attempt to re-word Keynesianism, entitlement theory, and another kind of social engineering to remain viable by capturing extremist votes and swaying independents. Anything that forestalls their current agenda and expands free trade gets a plus in my book. On the flipside, the cloud itself is that it won't take long for voters, and therefore the Republicans and Democrats to readjust themselves and become Republicrats once again and we'll be stuck with this same crap thirty years from the end of the recession, just in a different toilet.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And one should not take dissatisfaction with the current party in power as tacit approval of the opposing party. That would be foolish. Personally, I am not happy with the current state of the Democratic Party governement, but at the same time cannot think of a single Republican candidate of whom I would be more confident. It is a sad state of affairs, and likely contributes to my disgust with the political.

Indeed they shouldn't, but they do, at least in sufficient numbers to be categorized as the "swing" vote. It's the natural result of a winner-takes-all system and a powerful government. Limited choice and concentrated power will always breed inefficiency, insufficiency, inequality, and dissatisfaction.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time.

For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

Maybe it is political, maybe it isn't. Like you said, only time will tell. It does seem to me to be part of the continued power grab of the religious right, much like in the wake of George H. W. Bush's defeat in 1992. In any case, I think the rally will be a non-event in terms of fireworks. He'll get his crowd, and probably a good-sized one. However, he'll proselytize, crowds will cheer, Sharpton will do his thing, his crowds will cheer, and everyone will go home.

I could be wrong, though; it may end up being interesting after all.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Indeed they shouldn't, but they do, at least in sufficient numbers to be categorized as the "swing" vote. It's the natural result of a winner-takes-all system and a powerful government. Limited choice and concentrated power will always breed inefficiency, insufficiency, inequality, and dissatisfaction.

That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.

[Bubblehead1980]

I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.I believe Beck is an intelligent but not formally educated man who is driven in many aspects by his faith.Beck has an animated personality and has struck a chord with many people for sure. Beck does love the country and is very passionate.When did being passionate about something become a bad thing and qualify someone as crazy?

Beck went after Van Jones, showed clear evidence of his extremism and due to his hounding and exposure, essentially forced his resignation from the Obama Regime, er I mean Admin.Beck forced out the Mao loving Anita Dunn.Beck has exposed many others such as Cass Sunstein etc Beck has also brought many things to light about Obama etc that are not opinion but documented facts.

I hate to sit here and defend him as I am not a big fan but he's not crazy and is effective because he backs up what he speaks when exposing the dirty laundry, thus why he is reviled on the Left and by some on the Right.

As far as the rally goes, great for them and who cares if it's on the day of MLK's speech.That one day is not preserved just for MLK, even though he was a decent man and leader from what I can tell.Al Sharpton has done more to set back African Americans because he's just a racist fool and crook so he's not even worth discussing.

I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.

Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.

I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.

well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope it sparks new faces and thoughts in DC.

well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.

Oh dear, so you think he believes all that crap he says....well that clearly makes him insane then.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

Then we are opposites of each other. I have watched the moral and religious right pull the party away from it's ideals of responsible government, fiscal solvency and prudence in foreign affairs in favor of the rights of the fetus, the continued ban on homosexual unions and the war against dangerous stem cells.

The Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration were the darlings of the far-right. To dispute that now would be revisionary. Since 1992, these people have abandoned the ideals of the Republican Party that my father introduced me to in favor of what I listed above. Were he alive today, he would likely not recognize this party.