Insubordinate army doctor asks for court martial:

[Bubblehead1980]

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Yes he does need to be hung out to dry. If not the next thing you know platoons of men are looking to do the same thing. Speaking up in the military only happens when you are asked to speak up.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Who the commander in chief is, is irrelevant. You don't have to like the man, but you do have to respect his position. Politics are not matters for the military. Not now, not ever. Regardless if this guy likes it or not, Obama is the President of the United States of America, and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, elected by the people of the United States. This LtCol, is a commissioned officer in the armed forces of the united states. Sworn to serve, and has a duty to perform. Period. There is no more to it.


And he does need to be hung out to try. Hell, he should be crucified (metaphorically speaking) This type of horsecrap cannot be tolerated in the military. The military is NOT a democracy. They need to make an example out of him because attitudes are contagious. Bad ones unchecked can undermine morale of entire units. Nobody should EVER follow this guys example.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

That person is not standing up for what he believes in. Obama didn't start the war in Afghanistan, nor is Obama personally ordering this guy to go.

No, this filthy coward is using the birther controversy to try to weasel out of his commitment and I want to see him sent to Leavenworth at least.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Yes, he does need to be "hung out" because he spoke up. A military officer doesn't get to pick and chose.

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice president, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, commnwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

You keep letting your personal bias get in the way of your judgement and your grasp of facts.

[Bubblehead1980]

I'm not arguing what he did is right, just saying I don't think he should be hung out to dry.A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

Rewarding criminal action, what a great idea.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm not arguing what he did is right, just saying I don't think he should be hung out to dry.A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

Welcome to..."he is being made an example."

[Dowly]

The youtube vid:

[Jimbuna]

[Sailor Steve]

I just watched the first minute or so of the video and had to shut it off. Razark hit it on the head:

Originally Posted by razark

If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2008.

Don't you mean January 2009?

My only disagreement is that he should have resigned in November 2008, the minute the results were in. Then it would have meant something.

The military is not a democrocy. An oath of office is required, and here's what it says:

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Just in case there is any question, the oath of enlistment is much more specific:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

An officer is allowed - and even expected - to disobey orders when the order is determined by that officer to be illegal. But the officer must be willing to stand up in court and show that his disobedience was for the good of the service, and that the order itself was both illegal and bad. This covers only the order itself, not the person giving it. If an officer has a problem with a superior the time to take it up is when the problem becomes apparent, not a year-and-a-half later when said officer recieves an order he doesn't like.

There is no room for maneuvering here - this man is a criminal and a disgrace to his uniform and needs to be treated as such. At the very least a bad-conduct discharge is in order.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The youtube vid:

It is so nice when criminals confess on video. And best of all, no Article 31 concerns

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2008.

DOH! <facepalm>

[FIREWALL]

I see it as, that in a country based on FREEDOM. He made a FREE choice and will have to pay the consequences.for it. Whatever that may be.

Besides who wants a COWARD holding a weapon behind them, covering their arse.