Insubordinate army doctor asks for court martial:

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 06:46 PM

Crap like this (and other things) makes me wonder what happened to us as a people. 10 years ago, this type of thing was unheard of, and especially not from an officer.

Platapus · 08-11-10, 06:49 PM

I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA.

These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA.

These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has.

I would have to agree here.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-11-10, 06:56 PM

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Yes he does need to be hung out to dry. If not the next thing you know platoons of men are looking to do the same thing. Speaking up in the military only happens when you are asked to speak up.

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Who the commander in chief is, is irrelevant. You don't have to like the man, but you do have to respect his position. Politics are not matters for the military. Not now, not ever. Regardless if this guy likes it or not, Obama is the President of the United States of America, and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, elected by the people of the United States. This LtCol, is a commissioned officer in the armed forces of the united states. Sworn to serve, and has a duty to perform. Period. There is no more to it.

And he does need to be hung out to try. Hell, he should be crucified (metaphorically speaking) This type of horsecrap cannot be tolerated in the military. The military is NOT a democracy. They need to make an example out of him because attitudes are contagious. Bad ones unchecked can undermine morale of entire units. Nobody should EVER follow this guys example.

August · 08-11-10, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

That person is not standing up for what he believes in. Obama didn't start the war in Afghanistan, nor is Obama personally ordering this guy to go.

No, this filthy coward is using the birther controversy to try to weasel out of his commitment and I want to see him sent to Leavenworth at least.

Sailor Steve · 08-11-10, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

Yes, he does need to be "hung out" because he spoke up. A military officer doesn't get to pick and chose.

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888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice president, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, commnwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm

You keep letting your personal bias get in the way of your judgement and your grasp of facts.

Bubblehead1980 · 08-12-10, 01:20 AM

I'm not arguing what he did is right, just saying I don't think he should be hung out to dry.A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

08-12-10, 03:30 AM

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A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

Rewarding criminal action, what a great idea.

AVGWarhawk · 08-12-10, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm not arguing what he did is right, just saying I don't think he should be hung out to dry.A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

Welcome to..."he is being made an example."

Dowly · 08-12-10, 10:20 AM

The youtube vid:

Ducimus · 08-11-10, 06:59 PM

Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.

AVGWarhawk · 08-11-10, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.

I'm with on this one brother! Really, the guy probably enjoyed all the benefits of the mililtary. Three hots and a cot, etc. Now it is pay back time and he pulls this crap? Really?

Platapus · 08-11-10, 07:07 PM

If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2009. That would have been the honourable thing to do. But, he decided that it would be better to continue taking the government's money..... up until he had to go to a war zone and then all of a sudden he decided that this was an Obama thing.

That dog won't hunt.

This has little to do with Obama and so much to do with this jerk pooping his nappies when he got orders to the theater.

08-11-10, 06:49 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I disagree, we have had cowards in the military ever since the Revolutionary War. During the first Gulf War we had people bailing out when they got orders to SA. These days there is just more coverage and viability. If this guy did not try to conceal his cowardice by trying to make this an "Obama thing", it would not get the coverage it has. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-11-10, 07:07 PM	#15
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If he really had a problem with Obama than he should have resigned his commission in Jan 2009. That would have been the honourable thing to do. But, he decided that it would be better to continue taking the government's money..... up until he had to go to a war zone and then all of a sudden he decided that this was an Obama thing. That dog won't hunt. This has little to do with Obama and so much to do with this jerk pooping his nappies when he got orders to the theater. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right. Last edited by Platapus; 08-12-10 at 05:42 PM. Reason: typo

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08-11-10, 06:46 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Crap like this (and other things) makes me wonder what happened to us as a people. 10 years ago, this type of thing was unheard of, and especially not from an officer.

08-11-10, 06:56 PM	#4
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I'm slightly torn on this.This guy is standing up for what he believes in and can't blame him, taking orders from someone like Obama is blah.Then again, he's in the military and his job is to obey lawful orders of those above him, he doesnt need to be hung out to dry because he spoke up.an admin discharge would be fine.

08-12-10, 01:20 AM	#9
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I'm not arguing what he did is right, just saying I don't think he should be hung out to dry.A discharge and send him home would be plenty in my opinion.

08-12-10, 10:20 AM	#12
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The youtube vid:

08-11-10, 06:59 PM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, when I was in, I never heard of such a thing. To me, it's utterly unthinkable. You relinquished your ability to choose the instant you signed the contract. You do what your told (lawfully), and you go where your sent. Period. The only choices this guy really had, was what to put down on his "dream sheet". Now, he is a malfunctioning piece of government property and needs to be put in his place. I'd love it if he had reduction of rank to Private Basic.. and thats just for starters.