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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What's wrong with using reason?

Nothing at all. Does "using reason" include preemptive elimination of people just because they advocate my demise. Yes I'm convinced that some are capable and willing to bring that about, but reason dictates to me that I don't become them. Not all of them feel that way, and it's not my place to limit what people say.

What is wrong with you that you want to see the defending of our freedom being prevented becasue only when you get you idea of absolute, total, unlimited freedom then it is freedom, else oyu do not care if the others are taking freedom away from you? Have you so little to lose? The relative ammount of freedom oyu have, is more than they have in most other coutries - and you carelessly give it up?

I would defend it against those who would take it away. But not because you say they would take it away, or even because they say they would take it away. Only when they actually make the attempt do I have the right to prevent them. Otherwise I'm taking away the very freedoms I cherish.

You still give me the benefit of doubt when I would kick you, beat you, betray you, lie to you, take what you give volunaterily for granted, and never trade back to you on your wellmeaning, oh so noble terms?

No, as soon as you kick me you relinquish your right for me not to hurt you. But saying you would like to kick me is not the same thing, and never can be.

you know whwere this will lead you? you will lose freedom. Youj will get ovberwhelemed by those who do not care for your diea of freedom. Who do not value your wanted absolute freedom. Who obey their ideological education of you idea not being freedom.

And you would destroy the very meaning of freedom by removing it from those who offend or frighten you. As I said, it's a fine line that must be walked carefully. Our rights are equal, in that I cannot maintain mine without maintaining yours.

It will lead you to stay aside and doing nothing, while the free world around you gets ruined. You will stay aside when an ieology of totaltiarin control and lack of freedom takes over, gains influence. And by your passivity you will have heölped to create the oppoortunity for this destruction of freedom taking place. Becasu you had too much thinkling stuff on your mind - just getting and educate insight into islamic idelogy, it's content and scripturte -´that for some reason you do not have on your mind. Yiu take it'S porimnicpal gioodness for granted - but you have no clue whether you are right or wrong.

No, I will defend the right of anyone to say what they believe. If they attempt to put that belief into practice, then it's time to fight. And no, I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, as I've said a great many times. But neither do you, which is why I refuse to go down your road of hatred.

The rest of your overly-long speech I can sum up in one brief sentence:

I understand your worry about those who would take away my freedom, but if you advocate silencing them then you are exactly the same as them. Perhaps you don't see it that way because you don't believe in domination by violence, and in that you are different from them, but to deny freedom is to destroy it, pure and simple