NYC Mosque Gets the go!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I was reading some of the CNN forums on this issue. I was dismayed at the number of postings threatening or encouraging acts of terrorism against this community center after it is built.

threatening fire bombing community centers and burning books.

We have strayed so far.

And I rest my case. People will say build it so we may fly aircraft into it. Have we strayed so far or has the world assisted in the straying?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Have we strayed so far or has the world assisted in the straying?

Our perceptions of Muslims had a lot outside assistance. Beheadings, bombings, honor killings, stonings, hangings, rioting, subjugation of women, parking aircraft into skyscrappers.... the list goes on and on. Who said this was the religion of peace anyway? Was that honestly said or was that something someone made up to make people more accepting?

[tater]

It was made up.

Islam means "submission."

To them, submission (to god) leads to peace. Just like submission to dear leader doesn't get you killed in NK (least not as fast).

This is sad, since they could have been denied on entirely legit grounds. If I own any building the same age or older in NYC, and wanted to trash it, I'd expect an identical ruling or I'd sue.

That's the question here now, BTW, did they get special treatment, or could I wreak an 18-whatever building to build a titty bar in NYC?

Actually, they might let me wreck an 18-something era building for a titty bar. How about to build Republican National Headquarters? Nope, application denied

[Platapus]

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

In both there are factions that do the opposite of what the religion dictates. These individuals are called apostates and should not be used as a representation of the entire religion.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

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I'm not a big fan of evangelical movements (which is a masterstroke of understatement), but even I have to acknowledge that at least Christianity has progressed into the 20th and 21st century. Hipocritical as they are, at least they don't commit violence like, or to the scale in frequency, that Islam does. ( Exception being abortion clinics, then they go jihad and start shooting doctors. )

edit: And yes, i realize im using the word, "They" very loosely.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

In both there are factions that do the opposite of what the religion dictates. These individuals are called apostates and should not be used as a representation of the entire religion.

This man speaks the truth.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

In both there are factions that do the opposite of what the religion dictates. These individuals are called apostates and should not be used as a representation of the entire religion.

LOL.

Muslims who believe that we are in the "house of war" and dhimmi is in their lands are not apostates. They are devout. Those that think that they have a responsibility to jihad... not apostates. Islam means submission to god. Not peace.

Islam itself is fundamentally regressive.

[Sgt_Raa]

some white suppremicist will blow it up!... any money...

It is hard to get the image of Muslims cheering when the towers came down out of my head.

[Moeceefus]

People tend to ignore the fact that although many of our enemies are Muslims, not all Muslims are our enemies.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

It is hard to get the image of Muslims cheering when the towers came down out of my head.

As it is hard for me to get the image of American cheering when missile strikes in Iraq and AF are shown on the news as "entertainment".

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

It is hard to get the image of Muslims cheering when the towers came down out of my head.

I was meaning to quote/reply to this one earlier but I got sidetracked. I remember the news clips of some of those naughty little celebrations they were having over there, and the resentment that welled up inside as I watched. At the same time I felt sorry for those people. Why is it that humans are so easily twisted to such fervent displays of lunacy, by the whims and ambitions of so very few?

I also remember this treasure:



This was a painting that was hanging in an Iraqi barbershop. Note the lack of destruction and aircraft. I wonder why the shop keeper would risk his neck by putting it on the wall, when it would have been much more fashionable to display a work similar to this one from Nasiriya:



Charming ain't it?


Source articles below for anyone interested.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in546437.shtml
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/me...ral/index.html

Sorry to dogleg back into the topic like this. But for every bad, there is at least one good. That is the thrust of my post.

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

In both there are factions that do the opposite of what the religion dictates. These individuals are called apostates and should not be used as a representation of the entire religion.

The third sentence is just not true, in either case. Unless when using the passive voice, you only mean that you specifically call them apostates.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is a religion of love and tolerance.

In both there are factions that do the opposite of what the religion dictates. These individuals are called apostates and should not be used as a representation of the entire religion.

Islam does not dictate peace . It dictates conquest and subjugation. This is not voluntary, it is mandatory.

Jesus did not preach like this, and it is malicious of you if you think you must claim both are the same kind of teaching. That is like comparing Ghandi to Gengis Khan and claiming both are equally peaceful. The truth about Jesus and muhammad is more like that both are antagonistic to each other.

An apostate in islam is the one refusing to discriminate other cultures/religion and refusing to claim his own superiority due to the fact that he is islamic, and refuses the enslaving of women. the one followng the dogmatic teaching of islam is the one who does not tolerate anyone but Islamic people, who thinks it is Islam'S natural right to rule the world and that he is just helping evolution's natural cause if assisting islamization with force, lie and violence, who treats women as lifestock and think all girls and women need to be the possession of their fathers or a husband, and who follows Muhammad'S order, laid down int he Quran, to not accept seize-firing for longer time than necessary to gain superiority about non-Islamic facitons, and then crush them, in this way creating "peace" by extinction of differences and victory of the others. Which is the peace of a uniform, monocultural, totalitarian society.

Disclaimer: I am not Christian. I am no member of any sect. I am hostile to the church AND Islam.

You really won't see it, yeah? GZ means nothing to you,

I've linked one of several available texts explaining who they are three times now

It amazing what you can link to isn't it, at the moment its just McCarthy peddling the usual spiel for NRO Sky is fixated with, the other week it was how Blacks and Muslims ruin football.
Next week its gonna be Vanguard News Network with "Jews or Muslims which ones have to be got rid of first?"