You Might Be A Naval Geek If...

tater · 07-29-10, 08:54 AM

I LOLed a few times reading that.

Sailor Steve · 07-29-10, 10:22 AM

You can't watch any episde of any naval history show without complaining about what they got wrong and/or what they left out.

You can describe the complete armour layout of HMS Dreadnought, and the complete revolving and development of her 12pdr guns.

Weiss Pinguin · 07-29-10, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You can't watch any episde of any naval history show without complaining about what they got wrong and/or what they left out.

You have no idea

We've been watching 24 lately, and everytime they bring up submarines or aircraft my dad and I are all over whatever they get wrong. Not to mention the times my dad sees a uniform...

Sailor Steve · 07-29-10, 03:47 PM

I love JAG, but I cringe every time someone goes into the Admiral's office and he says "Close the hatch."

Oberon · 07-29-10, 04:11 PM

* When a piece of information involving a naval vessel comes in and yourself and your co-naval-geeks spend ages trying to unravel the mystery behind it.

Platapus · 07-29-10, 04:16 PM

"You wish they'd make more children's books about naval warfare - even though you're a grown man."

I will add one: You own a first edition (only edition) set of "The Battleship Boys" and "The Submarine Boys"... and you like to re-read them.

One question: What makes Mitsuo Fuchida's book on Midway any more or less credible than the other books written about Midway?

tater · 07-29-10, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

One question: What makes Mitsuo Fuchida's book on Midway any more or less credible than the other books written about Midway?

He made stuff up, and altered the story in a self-serving way (he was there, after all).

The whole bit about the IJN being moments from launching their strike against the USN, for example. They could not have launched for maybe 45 minutes, not the 5 minutes he claims. There are a few issues discussed at length in Shattered Sword. Note that he only held long credibility outside of Japan, he work was discredited there decades ago.

Subnuts · 07-29-10, 08:35 PM

I think the most glaringly obvious distortion in Fuchida's book (and most people missed it until recently) relates to the carrier's decks being full of armed and fuel strike aircraft minutes away from taking off. The Akagi's log book has her launching and recovering CAP fighters when the dive bombers struck. Considering that before angled flight decks came into use, aircraft carriers could do one of three things: launch, recover, or spot aircraft, but only one of those at any given moment. You couldn't land planes while the flight deck was filled with aircraft (well, duh), and you couldn't keep launching CAP fighters with strike aircraft first in line for take off.

Ironically, if the flight decks were filled with armed strike aircraft, the bombs would have exploded inside of largely empty hangars. With the aircraft still in their hangars, the bombs set off a holocaust of exploding bombs, torpedoes, and fuel tanks, while thousands of gallons of burning aviation gasoline practically melted the entire superstructure astern of the island of one of the carriers nearly to the waterline.

07-29-10, 10:22 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	You can't watch any episde of any naval history show without complaining about what they got wrong and/or what they left out. You can describe the complete armour layout of HMS Dreadnought, and the complete revolving and development of her 12pdr guns. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-29-10, 03:47 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I love JAG, but I cringe every time someone goes into the Admiral's office and he says "Close the hatch." __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-29-10, 04:16 PM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,386 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	"You wish they'd make more children's books about naval warfare - even though you're a grown man." I will add one: You own a first edition (only edition) set of "The Battleship Boys" and "The Submarine Boys"... and you like to re-read them. One question: What makes Mitsuo Fuchida's book on Midway any more or less credible than the other books written about Midway? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-29-10, 08:35 PM	#8
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I think the most glaringly obvious distortion in Fuchida's book (and most people missed it until recently) relates to the carrier's decks being full of armed and fuel strike aircraft minutes away from taking off. The Akagi's log book has her launching and recovering CAP fighters when the dive bombers struck. Considering that before angled flight decks came into use, aircraft carriers could do one of three things: launch, recover, or spot aircraft, but only one of those at any given moment. You couldn't land planes while the flight deck was filled with aircraft (well, duh), and you couldn't keep launching CAP fighters with strike aircraft first in line for take off. Ironically, if the flight decks were filled with armed strike aircraft, the bombs would have exploded inside of largely empty hangars. With the aircraft still in their hangars, the bombs set off a holocaust of exploding bombs, torpedoes, and fuel tanks, while thousands of gallons of burning aviation gasoline practically melted the entire superstructure astern of the island of one of the carriers nearly to the waterline. __________________ My Amazon.com reviews

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07-29-10, 08:54 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I LOLed a few times reading that.

07-29-10, 04:11 PM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	* When a piece of information involving a naval vessel comes in and yourself and your co-naval-geeks spend ages trying to unravel the mystery behind it.