What's Changed?

[Tessa]

Originally Posted by privateer

It's the same in Sh4 and (I believe) SH5.
Except in SH5 you take damage some meters ABOVE the bottom.
(An attempted fix?)
So don't try bottoming in SH5!

The whole DRM aside (don't wanna touch that monsters) looks like SH3 will be the last subsim I ever buy (albeit 3+ years ago). There was one aspect of SH5 that looked intriguing that you could actually change the tide of the war and not get boxed into 1945 being the end regardless of how well you (and the kriegsmarine for that matter) performed. Being able to win as the Germans made games like Panzer General great and worth the hours playing it like a heated chess match. Guess the only last laught with SHIII is getting into a XXI and dodging escorts in a convoy (submerged obviously) at flank speed and watching them look like fools trying to even keep track of where you were.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tessa

The whole DRM aside (don't wanna touch that monsters) looks like SH3 will be the last subsim I ever buy (albeit 3+ years ago). There was one aspect of SH5 that looked intriguing that you could actually change the tide of the war and not get boxed into 1945 being the end regardless of how well you (and the kriegsmarine for that matter) performed. Being able to win as the Germans made games like Panzer General great and worth the hours playing it like a heated chess match. Guess the only last laught with SHIII is getting into a XXI and dodging escorts in a convoy (submerged obviously) at flank speed and watching them look like fools trying to even keep track of where you were.

Well there's little chance of you getting 'boxed into 1945' with stock SH5....the game/war ends mid 1943.

[maillemaker]

Yup. Had my best career ever ended in mid 1942 just a couple of days ago by getting bombed while on the bottom.

Hit a convoy south of Ireland. Direct hit by a depth charge destroyed both electric engines. We fell to the bottom in 112m of water. I got the boat patched up to stop the leaks and went silent. They circled, but eventually they dropped the things right down the pipe and the pressure got us.

Steve

[Tessa]

Thats a crying shame that bug (depth charge) never got fixed; pretty much looses any of my interest in any of the existing (or possible new ones) versions. With GWX (any version for that matter) you get anything better that's available commercially.

I'm no fan of game cheats, the depth charge one the game uses is imo a huge cheat the game uses against you which you really have no counter. Does/did GWX limit the # of charges each ship could carry?

[Seminole]

On the other hand........if bottoming your boat always allowed you to avoid being detected and depth charged...well...think about it.......what would that do to game play?


One could stay in waters 300 meters deep or less and virtually remove destroyers as a threat.


But I get your point..it would be nice to be able to pull the bottoming out trick once in a while. Just as cool would be the ability to play dead and send up an oil slick with debris...including dead crewmembers...but I ain't holding my breath for that one either.

[timmy41]

maybe a command could be made for the game that severely decreases detection. It would be entered by the player. it could be entered again to turn it off. This would be used when bottomed out, but of course theres no way to enforce this, it would have to be entrusted to the honor system, but its better than nothing.

[Tessa]

Originally Posted by Seminole

On the other hand........if bottoming your boat always allowed you to avoid being detected and depth charged...well...think about it.......what would that do to game play?


One could stay in waters 300 meters deep or less and virtually remove destroyers as a threat.


But I get your point..it would be nice to be able to pull the bottoming out trick once in a while. Just as cool would be the ability to play dead and send up an oil slick with debris...including dead crewmembers...but I ain't holding my breath for that one either.

Bottoming in this game is a lot easier than one where it had a real contour of the ocean floor. If you're in 25-50m of water bottoming wouldn't be my first option unless I had major damage to repair, even then the amount of noise for repairs will attract the DD anyways.

Even when you do successfully bottom the boat, you're last know coordinates are really close to where you've ended up; so in reality you're just shot yourself in the foot. you know they're gonna roll some more charges before they leave anyways. Now if you were 300m away imo you should be safe.

Bottoming is always a gamble and another tactic for the commander, its not a trumph car to make the boat invisible, and never should be. Also just being 200m+ under doesn't make you safe, I've been charged with sniper precision in Gibraltor at 350m by a single DD. That is what really got me flared up; that a boat is able to know my exact location 1/4 of a mile underwater with my ship bottomed (and with no previous surface contact).