Racist Tea Party People? Nope. Just Americans!

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by thorn69

You didn't get the sarcasm of my original post but you did view it as a racial one! Thanks for making my point!

Actually, the post was pointing out that blacks and whites are active in the tea party and race has nothing to do with it. It's a group of common people against socialism and over spending within the federal government. I'm sure Zachstar, or even you, have commented on here or other forums that the "teabagger" party was a racist organization! Admit it!

guess who is a registered republican? not that the tea party idea is party based, but i'm not one to get flustered when a radical left winger makes a stupid comment. its what the radical right wingers say that makes it/us look bad.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

guess who is a registered republican? not that the tea party idea is party based, but i'm not one to get flustered when a radical left winger makes a stupid comment. its what the radical right wingers say that makes it/us look bad.

Nu-Uh! I don't believe you're a registered republican! Other republicans don't have their credentials brought into check because they don't post stuff like you do on here! Now I think you should leave before Neal has your account Keelhauled! Just go away!

BTW, that was my best Zachstar impression and I could personally care less what political party you're registered under.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by thorn69

Nu-Uh! I don't believe you're a registered republican! Other republicans don't have their credentials brought into check because they don't post stuff like you do on here! Now I think you should leave before Neal has your account Keelhauled! Just go away!

BTW, that was my best Zachstar impression and I could personally care less what political party you're registered under.

Its far easier to believe I am a republican than it is to believe that you are a cop, but I like you just dont care either.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

Its far easier to believe I am a republican than it is to believe that you are a cop, but I like you just dont care either.

Good! Something we both can agree on! .... FINALLY!!!

[SteamWake]

Katrina is kinda hot

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Katrina is kinda hot

Hypothetically, if I were to say that I'd "tap that black gold like Rockefeller", would that be in poor taste?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Hypothetically, if I were to say that I'd "tap that black gold like Rockefeller", would that be in poor taste?

tap it brother.

by all means... tap it like theres no tomorrow

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

guess who is a registered republican? not that the tea party idea is party based, but i'm not one to get flustered when a radical left winger makes a stupid comment. its what the radical right wingers say that makes it/us look bad.

I used to be a republican myself. Even had a chatroom going with Bush 04 supporters.

Many tea party fools remind me of what I was like back in the day. I could not wait for the bombs to fall on Iraq. War was exciting and backing republicans was a way to see more war on Fox (Yes I was a big fox news fan and that is why I know what they are like today) I considered the left as pansy bleeding heart liberals who would rather see the country get attacked again than glass the middle east.

One of the things that got me to move left was realizing my family was going to war for real for months in the middle of hostile territory. Realizing I was advocating tax breaks for companies that sent my communities jobs overseas. Advocating laws to restrict the rights of homosexuals that have done nothing to me and my family. Advocating removing help for families that have suffered economic toil. In other words I had become a monster and it took getting older to realize that.

When I look upon the faces of many tea party fools I see my younger face.

[UnderseaLcpl]

And what do you see now, ZS? What is your comprehensive policy for implementing positive social change? Who would you trust to implement it, and how might they be appointed?

I ask because when I look at Democrats and socialists and people who are socialist but don't realize it, I see my younger face. I'd be interested to hear what you think now and how you came to the conclusions you have. No insult intended, of course.

edit-

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

tap it brother.

by all means... tap it like theres no tomorrow

Heh... If I hit that, there would be no tommorrow. She has kids. Game over man, game over!

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

And what do you see now, ZS? What is your comprehensive policy for implementing positive social change? Who would you trust to implement it, and how might they be appointed?

I ask because when I look at Democrats and socialists and people who are socialist but don't realize it, I see my younger face. I'd be interested to hear what you think now and how you came to the conclusions you have. No insult intended, of course.

You know.

its funny

when Snoop Dogg was a street rapper, he hated the cops.

I remember a few years ago reading a quote of his that went something like this:

"I used to hate cops... but now that i own stuff and own a house, they are actually kind of important"

- of course there were a lot more "hizzles" and "nizzles" etc

something you said immediately brought that quote to my head. It could be that age, wisdom and circumstance changes people.

I wasnt very far right myself, nor was i very politically active until i started building a business and owning things and being a success by my own merit.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

And what do you see now, ZS? What is your comprehensive policy for implementing positive social change? Who would you trust to implement it, and how might they be appointed?

I ask because when I look at Democrats and socialists and people who are socialist but don't realize it, I see my younger face. I'd be interested to hear what you think now and how you came to the conclusions you have. No insult intended, of course.

edit- Heh... If I hit that, there would be no tommorrow. She has kids. Game over man, game over!

I guess viewpoints depends. Perhaps you had an "interesting" youth? Not trying to say your age as I don't know but many people who were into the movements of the 60s went right due to how they viewed their younger selves. Tho I tend to notice their right is a bit right of center not extreme right.

Perhaps you saw your face as someone who wanted nukes to be outlawed. Military to do whatever.. Maybe even a socialist aspect (As some were back then) Maybe that is why you see dems and liberals as such. Tho it has tended to move to the right a bit. Especially with my viewpoint of Tecnological Progressive which is only a bit left of center and advocates a "Left" approach to gov involvement in technology research and use.

If that was the case perhaps then your shift wasnt as extreme in my opinion. I advocated violence against an entire region and advocated removing rights from homosexuals (Back then I think its safe to say I was a homophobe) My shift was extreme in comparison in my opinion. It had to be. My viewpoints got this country in a mess with the wars.

[GoldenRivet]

i think it would be a little extreme to label all right wing / conservatives as

Racist homophobes thought, dont you?

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

i think it would be a little extreme to label all right wing / conservatives as

Racist homophobes thought, dont you?

No and forgive me if that post sounded that way. But sadly many in the tea party movement are and the movement has not done nearly enough to discredit those who use the party to spread their hateful message.

Let me pick a different issue to relate. The whole tax thing. I was also on the whole tax the poor bandwagon. If I were myself I would refuse to believe Obama lowered my taxes with the "Making work pay program" And sure enough I saw video after video of people tearing up pages of evidence and calling the camera man a socialist. People saying its fake etc.. etc..

I would have called the camera man a pansy liberal or something.

[GoldenRivet]

isnt it next year or 2012 that the Obama tax changes take effect?

cant recall

Im right wing... but that doesnt make me a republican. from what i can determine, i fit in somewhere in the Libertarian arena.

Ever since Bush V. Dukakis i have raised the question "Why chose between only two parties?" - and hell i was what? 11 years old?

Sure... i refer to something as being gay. And i call my friends "faggot" when they do something i might call "gay". that doesnt make me a homophobe - i promise i never tried to hang any gay people i have been around in social or professional settings.

I'll also call a spade a spade so to speak, but that doesnt make me racist. I swear i have never lynched a black guy. (though yes... I use the N word like every other white and black person around here but the desensitization to that is another topic for another day)

Hell i talk trash about blacks, but i talk a lot of trash about bubba and his 300 pound arm piece holding up the check out line at wal mart with their food stamps too.

Thats just how I am... there are some people who view it as racism here at subsim, but I really dont care... I'm not scared of being labeled by people who comment on forum threads and have no idea about any of the more intimate details of my life.

I'll shake hands with a black person and welcome them into my home with the same zest i would welcome anyone else. - and i think probably 90% of the rest of us crackers would do the same.

and yes... if i could run faster than James... i would tap Katrina, until i was completely stroked out.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

I guess viewpoints depends. Perhaps you had an "interesting" youth? Not trying to say your age as I don't know but many people who were into the movements of the 60s went right due to how they viewed their younger selves. Tho I tend to notice their right is a bit right of center not extreme right.

Perhaps you saw your face as someone who wanted nukes to be outlawed. Military to do whatever.. Maybe even a socialist aspect (As some were back then) Maybe that is why you see dems and liberals as such. Tho it has tended to move to the right a bit. Especially with my viewpoint of Tecnological Progressive which is only a bit left of center and advocates a "Left" approach to gov involvement in technology research and use.

If that was the case perhaps then your shift wasnt as extreme in my opinion. I advocated violence against an entire region and advocated removing rights from homosexuals (Back then I think its safe to say I was a homophobe) My shift was extreme in comparison in my opinion. It had to be. My viewpoints got this country in a mess with the wars.

Nah, dude. I was born in 1982, into a very conservative family. Your shift was no more extreme than mine, as I also felt the same way, then went left, then back right again. My youth probably wasn't any more interesting than yours. I just got older, saw a bit of the world, and this is where I've landed. I'm just another tea party people being people.

I think we're more alike than you might suppose, but let me explain. You describe yourself as a "technological progressive". I can't say I blame you. I was that way for most of my life. Still am, as a matter of fact. I really think that technology will solve all of mankind's problems. You could even call me a technophile, despite my bass-ackwards redneck ways.

The only place we differ in this respect is in how that technology is to be obtained in the most efficient means possible. You prefer government investment, which is the most direct means, and I say that government has never been efficient at doing anything, and that we should rely upon the market to dictate technlogical development.

Both arguments have their points; Government investment is direct. We know what the money is going for, and an agency is established to oversee and undertake development in that field. Given enough time and money, it will produce the desired result. Usually.

Private investment is indirect, and you may well not see what you want for a good time, but the market directs investment and innovation to where it is wanted most, by virtue of the fact that it simply cannot do otherwise. If it did, it would cease to exist because it is not profitable. You may not get fusion power or armies of UAVs through the private market, but you will get whatever is the most cost-efficient at the time. Usually.

What I think places the private system above the government system is that the private system must perform while the government system might perform, eventually. Most of the time, government systems produce substandard results, not because the intentions are misguided, but because the way in which they are pursued is very inefficient. Just consider how much progress we have made in space exploration, or power production, or just about anything you'd care to imagine, as compared to what computers and phones and electronic finance and other minimally-regulated industries have achieved in the same timespan. Then go stand in line at the DMV and see what you think. Personally, I'd rather have the miraculous inventions that the market produces on a regular basis. I just wish that businesses and entrepeneurs and speculators had more to invest, and more freedom with which to invest.

More than anything, I would like you to consider the possibility that government may not know what is best, and where it does know what is best it often screws everything up. Por ejemplo, you may remember the thread you had where we discussed alternative energy sources. I think it was caled "A Real Energy Future" or something like that. In that thread, I was championing nuclear power as a source of cheap energy. Since then, nuclear power has been embraced and construction is now underway (and in most cases, under consideration) for many new nuclear plants. You'd think I'd be happy, but I'm not. I was totally wrong about nukes. They're a great source of power, and very efficient, true enough, but the sheer amount of red tape surrounding them still makes them unprofitable, so they must get government subsidies. I am no longer of the opinion that nukes are great. Natural gas and coal are the most economically-feasible power sources today, and probably ten years from now. It seems little has changed.

Now, I'm not saying that I have totally given up on nuclear power, or even other alternative enegry sources. Far from it. But what I have realized is that the problem lies more with the policymakers than with the policy itself. Generations of energy policy and legislation are distorting the natural price mechanisms of the market. People no longer buy what is best suited to their own needs, they buy what is best suited to their own needs as amended by price controls and energy policy as defined by the same government that has yet to implement a satisfactory energy policy.

I can appreciate your idealism, ZS, but give a thought as to what kind of machine you are going to have to build in order to realize your ideas. Someone is going to have the power to implement those decisions and it is not likely going to be someone like you. I know this because I know you're not the kind of cutthroat bastard who usually succeeds in the world of politics. Most likely, it will be someone with an altogether different agenda. Fix the disease before you start prescribing cures for the symptomns.

This is just my opinion, but I'd like you to think about it a little.