15th anniversary of Srebenica massacre

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

skybird is right, being able and not doing anything

That is not my point.

My point is that the West, NATO and the UN, and the Dutch, brought themselves into a position where they probably could have done nothing indeed.

Either you go in in force, or you don't. Either you give the troops you send the means they need to enforce their objectives, or you do not send them at all, and thus do not make any claims at all. Symbolism is no compensation for lacking ability.

Whether or not the Dutch could have achieved something by symbollically making a stand and challeniging the Serbs, forcing them to commit the massacre only at the price of opening fire at the UN blue helmets, is something different. Morally, as UN blue helmets, they would have had the moral obligation to do right that. Militarily, it was stupid to run the mission in a way where one depended on symbolical gestures.

I hate symbolical gestures. I hate them in politics. In military issues. In economis, in ecologics. I hate symbolical gestures for what they are: stupid meaningless idiotic pathetic theatralic symbolic gestures posturing without having a substance in themselves.

Remember that scene from the first Indiana Jones movie where Indy faces that sabre-swinging man, just draws his pistol and shoots him down? That'S how I think about pathos, boasting and symbolics: shooting it down, and moving on and not wasting any more thought on this nonsense.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That is not my point.

OK, also agree with this point

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Remember that scene from the first Indiana Jones movie where Indy faces that sabre-swinging man, just draws his pistol and shoots him down?

Sky do you know the true origin on that scene? Originally there was going to be a big Saber vs. Whip fight but Ford (and most of the crew) at a bout of food poisoning and was unable to do any major stunts. So Ford suggested to Spielberg that he just shoot the guy and that was what ended up being filmed.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sky do you know the true origin on that scene? Originally there was going to be a big Saber vs. Whip fight but Ford (and most of the crew) at a bout of food poisoning and was unable to do any major stunts. So Ford suggested to Spielberg that he just shoot the guy and that was what ended up being filmed.

One of the best scenes in the movie.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sky do you know the true origin on that scene? Originally there was going to be a big Saber vs. Whip fight but Ford (and most of the crew) at a bout of food poisoning and was unable to do any major stunts. So Ford suggested to Spielberg that he just shoot the guy and that was what ended up being filmed.

Yes I know that background story for that scene. I even was about to tell it, but said to myself "what for...".

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sky do you know the true origin on that scene? Originally there was going to be a big Saber vs. Whip fight but Ford (and most of the crew) at a bout of food poisoning and was unable to do any major stunts. So Ford suggested to Spielberg that he just shoot the guy and that was what ended up being filmed.

do you also know that the guy who played the swordman was so pissed of (cause he was training for weeks) that they put him on the poster just to appease him


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P.S. Karen Alen looks hot on this poster

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Betonov

do you also know that the guy who played the swordman was so pissed of (cause he was training for weeks) that they put him on the poster just to appease him


upper right head

P.S. Karen Alen looks hot on this poster

Yep! He was pissed. In an interview I read once they said in the first take were Indy shoots him he took five minutes to die.

EDIT: Speaking of the Gunny anyone see his new Geico commercial?

[krashkart]

Yep, saw that commercial. Instant classic.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

do you also know that the guy who played the swordman was so pissed of (cause he was training for weeks) that they put him on the poster just to appease him

No, that I did not know. You don't pull my leg, yes?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

No, that I did not know. You don't pull my leg, yes?

Yes it is true