Ranking of U.S. Presidents by historians

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

How did this become a Civil War thread!?!?!?!?

My fault I guess. Just pointing out that the ranking of Presidents is flawed depending on where you go and who you talk to. Others posted to argue my stance on why Lincoln and Grant should be further down on the list. But oh well, that's how these threads work sometimes. People feel the need to force those of us without the popular opinion into their large group of lemmings. Sorry, but I don't want to be a member of that cliche. It just leads to hypocritical changes when they eventually fall. Sooner or later the unpopular opinion will become the popular one and I'm gonna laugh when all these folks jump ship and join up with those they opposed for so long. There's nothing better than watching the Clinton two-step take place! It's become quite a popular political dance I hear!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by thorn69

My fault I guess. Just pointing out that the ranking of Presidents is flawed depending on where you go and who you talk to. Others posted to argue my stance on why Lincoln and Grant should be further down on the list.

Not at all. You have every right to your opinion on Lincoln and Grant, and I fully support your right to that opinion. You didn't wait for someone to disagree; you launched into a tirade on slavery right from the start.

But oh well, that's how these threads work sometimes. People feel the need to force those of us without the popular opinion into their large group of lemmings.

An interesting accusation, but you still have provided no facts for any of your claims, about the war or about me. And you end with another attack. I could care less about opinions, popular or otherwise. Facts are what I'm interested in. Where are yours?