Muhammad's ball, or: what Islam has done to the French National Team

Does it mean you can't critize it? Hell, no! Does it mean Israels right of existance must be defended? Hell yes!

And the problem is that some people say that any criticism of Israel is wrong and that Israel itself can do no wrong.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

And the problem is that some people say that any criticism of Israel is wrong and that Israel itself can do no wrong.

Israel can do "wrong" and the endless criticism of what we do here can actually lead to this.
Israelis are getting tired of the endless criticism of any thing that is done here so why not start kicking asses for real?
I mean really defend our selves-screw the moaning world politicians.

Israel can do "wrong" and the endless criticism of what we do here can actually lead to this.

That sounds like the actions of a petulant child.

Israelis are getting tired of the endless criticism of any thing that is done here so why not start kicking asses for real?

Firstly because the IDF ain't what it was so its real ass kicking days have been over for nearly 30 years. Secondly it needs lots of help to survive as a state. Besides which the real criticism which is the only criticism that matters only comes when Israel does something incredibly dumb.

I mean really defend our selves-screw the moaning world politicians.

Because when you screw the world politicians you lose more and more of that help you need to survive.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That sounds like the actions of a petulant child.
.

It is isnt it?
The educational system needs recheck?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Firstly because the IDF ain't what it was so its real ass kicking days have been over for nearly 30 years.
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That can be another 1000 post topic but yes some countries in ME are closing the gaps slowly.
Every one here realizes that another war will not be six day war again but IDF still can deal very well with current threats if given free hand.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Secondly it needs lots of help to survive as a state. Besides which the real criticism which is the only criticism that matters only comes when Israel does something incredibly dumb.
Because when you screw the world politicians you lose more and more of that help you need to survive.

Yes Israel needs help to survive but the question is if it can survive for long or what quality of live we may have -i mean with all the help.

What was this thread about anyway?
Mohamed's balls or something

[MH]

Jeff Dunham - Achmed the Dead Terrorist

What was this thread about anyway?
Mohamed's balls or something

It was about some nonsense sky found on a loony blog about blacks and muslims causing the French soccer team to be rubbish

[tater]

As a reality check, all the Muslim countries require outside help to survive as well. It's not like they've invented anything useful since they came up with falafel. MOst that have any economy to speak of do solely because of kufir oil needs.

Their entire modern lifestyle is purchased from the kufir. Anything modern they make is just a copy of something invented by non-muslims.

Note that the same can be said of most religious fundamentalists, but remember that ALL muslim sects are fundies.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MH

It is isnt it?
The educational system needs recheck?

It does. Just read at BBC that 10% and more of Muslim parents in Britain are about to withdraw - or alrerady have withdrawn - their children from music classes, since good ol Muhammad had banned music instruments.

From various countries in europe there were so many stories over the past few years when Muslim in not just few numbers withdrew their kids from biology lessons. Swimming lessons. Sports lessons. Class activities outside the teaching lessons. Now music lessons. What's next? Banning mathematics, for it teaches them logical thinking? Banning English/German/French/etc classes, for it makes them vulnerable to integration?

This is hilarious in itself, it is intolerant and "anti-integration", it is at the disadvantage of the children, and it means troubles regarding rooms and personnell for smaller schools that cannot afford both to supervise the dear little victims of Muslim superior and og so sensible mindsets. Once again Islam has demanded a special role and a special status regarding something, and once again it seems to get away with it.

There is a reason why Arabia, although it had superior starting conditions compared to Europe, fell behind so qickly once Muhammad'S impact became felt. Within 3 centuries they fell from superior economy and science status, to total fatasism and stagnation. The man's teaching has banned and declared any sort of education and science that would enable people to think independently, critically, ask questions that would trigger answers the quran does not hold, and conduct scientific analytical work that dares to touch issues that are not of a purely technical, most direct pragmatic use. Instead, all questions must be develooed in a form and manner that the answers proves the Quran to be right. All tradition of reflecting upon existential questions and basic, underlying probpems of science, as well as scientific methods to examine them, have been banned, prevented and declared a heresy. That is why the Muslim world still is stuck in the medieval in thought, skill and technological competence. All they do is buying or copying or demanding the fruit of our cultural tradition that has lead to our cultural mental climate that the free unfolding of science and arts without taboos became possible. At best they learn how to technically handle the fruits of our technology. understanding the why and how is forbiodden. And often even operating this technology is below their dignity: then they call in foreigners to their countries who need to run them for them. Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Dubai, look at Lybia - it's always the same pattern.

Primitive, inhumane in that it is a mobbing and supression of human potential - including the use of our brain - ,and disgusting. Cirumcision right between the ears, that's what it is.

why Westerners time and again are so stupid to tolerate this and think of it as a sign of tolerance that would encourage integration, is beyond me. It does not help integration, it helps: self-chosen separatism.

Just read at BBC that 10% and more of Muslim parents in Britain are about to withdraw -

Oh no you didn't, you just read that maybe about 10% could find potential problems with them, which means culturally they belong in the Britain of the commonwealth period.
Isn't it amazing how skybird can find a story, change the story and then say that the story shows what he said all along.

Be careful, you "Muslim" - I have been in Muslim places where they would chase you away and even would want to kill you for heretic statements like that. In accordance with the quran they would

Sounds like the sort of people with the same circular logic as Sky uses, all muslims are fundamentalist nuts, if they ain't fundamentalist nuts they ain't muslim as all muslims are fundamentalist nuts.
But isn't it the case that the koran says bugger all about that and what sky is talking about there is one theological schools interpretation of a document that was written several centuries later. Not of course suggesting that there are different theological schools as there is only one islam and it is and always has been the fundamentlist nutty kind, even when it didn't exist.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Sounds like the sort of people with the same circular logic as Sky uses, all muslims are fundamentalist nuts, if they ain't fundamentalist nuts they ain't muslim as all muslims are fundamentalist nuts.
But isn't it the case that the koran says bugger all about that and what sky is talking about there is one theological schools interpretation of a document that was written several centuries later. Not of course suggesting that there are different theological schools as there is only one islam and it is and always has been the fundamentlist nutty kind, even when it didn't exist.

Sects of a religion are "fundamentalist" if they are literalists.

Did the world take 7 days to make? Were Adam and Eve real? Is the book true, 100% (even if you have to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "LA LALALLALA" when someone reads internally inconsistent passages)? Do they believe in "creationism?"

What sects of Islam are NOT fundamentalist, and how many are in that sect out of the 1.2 billion worldwide?