Homeopathy

[tater]

Opinions don't matter. If it is not quackery, then it could prove it works in proper, controlled studies—more than the placebo effect. It does not.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by tater

Opinions don't matter. If it is not quackery, then it could prove it works in proper, controlled studies—more than the placebo effect. It does not.

Indeed. Even trying to raise empirical data of validity for acupuncture and meditation has now been more successful - and they struggled for decades to explore both in methodologically okay settings.

However. I asked because I wanted to get a quick impression of how widespread trust in the method is in this non-representative sample of GT members. Pure curiosity. Maybe I ask again in some days about opinions on tarot or enneagrams

So, if somebody has a benefit from falling victim to a placebo effect that lasts, fine, if the relief is for real and is not short-term only, it does not matter whether it is an agent or a placebo. I just deny that there is any other, causal factor involved that would make homeopathy an effect beside that of a placebo, or mere belief.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Skybird

However. I asked because I wanted to get a quick impression of how widespread trust in the method is in this non-representative sample of GT members. Pure curiosity. Maybe I ask again in some days about opinions on tarot or enneagrams

In answer to that question, I would say in the real world, trust is ridiculously broad. "Teach the controversy!" LOL. Look at the people who believe—contrary to ALL scientific studies—that vaccines cause autism. It's not surprising to learn that the leading "medical" proponents of that entirely discredited hypothesis are in fact... homeopaths.

To see another place where such quackery has broad support, many US insurance plans now pay for chiropractors. Same thing, different name. "Chiropractic" claims to be able to cure all kinds of illness through manipulation. Bat-**** crazy.

[FIREWALL]

It all depends. Some home remidies are good for a skin rash.

But, if I have oozing, burning pustules, I'm gonna run to the Dr. fast and get some real treatment.

[TarJak]

If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is probably a duck. Quackery no doubt in my mind.

[Schroeder]

May I ask how many of the quackery guys here have already taken homoeopathic medicine? As I said I never took anything of that stuff myself but I know some people who had great experiences with it (and it wasn't about mental stuff).

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

May I ask how many of the quackery guys here have already taken homoeopathic medicine?

Me, long time ago, when I was at university and had many freinds who experiemnted with many different things, amongst them that couple with that cat I mentioned.

Needless to say, I felt no effect.

But to answer in a different way as well: may I give a free quote by Mr. Spock from one novel I read back in those years:

"When I am standing on a huge object that has mass and is rotating around a centre axis, then I know that there is gravitation, and then I must not see the apple I let slip from my hand falling to the ground, but I already know that the apple will fall to the ground."

[Bilge_Rat]

homeopathy: modern equivalent of witch doctors, about as effective as praying.

[nikimcbee]

I knew an old lady in Minnesota that was REALLY into homeopathic stuff. She had cancer and was treating it with "homeopathic medicine". The cancer totally overran her system and she died. I think a lot of it may be in your head (like taking a plasebo).

[nikimcbee]

I just laugh at the "homeopathic" cure for diabetes.
dum,dum,dum,dum dum

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by tater

Opinions don't matter. If it is not quackery, then it could prove it works in proper, controlled studies—more than the placebo effect. It does not.

The irony though is there are a pile of drugs from pharmaceutical companies that really do not show much effect beyond the placebo effect. That and of course how they tamper with the study to get desirable results.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by tater

Quackery.

Homeopathy is to Medicine

as

Astrology is to Astronomy.

Well put.

[Blacklight]

There's only ONE homeopathic thing that I tried that actually worked. I have horrible 24/7, year round, nasal allergies that REALLY affect my quality of life. I'm taking every perscription drug that I can possibly take for it and I've also done allergy shots and nothing has worked so far except to stave off the symptoms just a little bit. I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying something homeopathic because it was the only thing I havn't tried yet.
With homeopathic stuff, I am a huge skeptic but I decided to give it a shot anyway. I tried several things, all with absolutely NO result. Then I found this stuff called "Nasalcrom" and it's amazing the difference that it makes. Unlike most homeopathic stuff where you have to keep taking it for a month or more for it to take effect according to the manufactuers, it works immediately. It doesn't totally kill the allergies, but it REALLY made a difference in my ability to actually breath through my nose.
The only drawback is that it last for three hours and then you have to dose again and you can take it up to 6 times a day. Even so, a single bottle of it lasts me a month. It's the only homeopathic drug that I actually would reccomend.

The other catch with it is that it works fantastic with nasal allergies, but does nothing if you have a sinus infection. This stuff actually does work and I reccomend it to anyone with nasal allergies.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

There's only ONE homeopathic thing that I tried that actually worked. I have horrible 24/7, year round, nasal allergies that REALLY affect my quality of life. I'm taking every perscription drug that I can possibly take for it and I've also done allergy shots and nothing has worked so far except to stave off the symptoms just a little bit. I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying something homeopathic because it was the only thing I havn't tried yet.
With homeopathic stuff, I am a huge skeptic but I decided to give it a shot anyway. I tried several things, all with absolutely NO result. Then I found this stuff called "Nasalcrom" and it's amazing the difference that it makes. Unlike most homeopathic stuff where you have to keep taking it for a month or more for it to take effect according to the manufactuers, it works immediately. It doesn't totally kill the allergies, but it REALLY made a difference in my ability to actually breath through my nose.
The only drawback is that it last for three hours and then you have to dose again and you can take it up to 6 times a day. Even so, a single bottle of it lasts me a month. It's the only homeopathic drug that I actually would reccomend.

The other catch with it is that it works fantastic with nasal allergies, but does nothing if you have a sinus infection. This stuff actually does work and I reccomend it to anyone with nasal allergies.

Is cromoglicic acid really "homeopathic?"

Since the active ingredient is NOT diluted to non-existence (the definition of a homeopathic "remedy"), I don't think it counts. Nasalcrom is: Cromolyn sodium 5.2 mg per spray. That's not diluted the silly homeopath way.

[Blacklight]

Is cromoglicic acid really "homeopathic?"

Since the active ingredient is NOT diluted to non-existence (the definition of a homeopathic "remedy"), I don't think it counts. Nasalcrom is: Cromolyn sodium 5.2 mg per spray. That's not diluted the silly homeopath way.

It CLAIMS to be homeopathic. Whatever it is, it really works well.