What does elenaiba say...

@AOTD_MadMax

Ships don't have sensors, sounds are broken.
Heck!
Alot is broken!
We fix it, or forget it!
You it seems, have choosen forget it.
That's fine if you choose to follow that path.
Have you shown your true skills, knowledge, and abilities by giving up?
I expected more (on a personnal level) from you and your Team.

What is the main problem?
Tools? Know how? Knowledge?
What?

[AOTD_MadMax]

Originally Posted by privateer

@AOTD_MadMax

Ships don't have sensors, sounds are broken.
Heck!
Alot is broken!
We fix it, or forget it!
You it seems, have choosen forget it.
That's fine if you choose to follow that path.
Have you shown your true skills, knowledge, and abilities by giving up?
I expected more (on a personnal level) from you and your Team.

What is the main problem?
Tools? Know how? Knowledge?
What?

Hi Privateer,

its easy to say !
First of all iam an customer of SH5, paying 50 Euro for this game in the same way i payed for the other SH-Games.
So its not my part to fix the game to the gold-state and i dont have to show my skill by doing the work of Ubi.
If you want it, do it but dont bother me with this kind of posting here.
I dont like this kind of personal attacks here mate.
I have shown my skill with works for SH3 and SH4 like FOTRS.

I laugh about that posting from elanaiba cause he say "we need each other".
What kind of partnership does he mean ?
Nearly one year until SH5 was released i wrote a mail to Ubi with my idea for partnership between some modders and the devs for making SH5 better.
It was an totally concept how you can work out an fantastic subsim with a low budget by using the manpower of the modding-community.
No response ...............
And now he talks this things like "we need each other".

Yes, we need each other but not after the child was falling down.

Do you know why small germany is so powerfull in engineering ?
First we make a plan ..............

As an projectmanager he should have the overview to what could have realised in the frame of time and money.
Remember, first they spoke that all Subs should be a part of SH5.
After realising that time and money is to short, they sell us a nice story why only the type VII sub appears in SH5.
The same to many other features missed ore not working in SH5.

The first view of an company should be the view to their products, not at the money they can earn.
If the products are in a good quality, money comes automatically.
So we handle here in germany and thats the reason why german cars are so popular over the whole world.
Thats why germany is the global player in engineering.
We keep an eye on the quality first.

Creating a high quality product is not the work of an strong marketing-department.

finish !

Regards

Maddy


Now in German !
Und hier auf Deutsch ( das kommt besser rüber wie mein schlechtes Englisch )

Hallo Privateer,

zum ersten möchte ich Dir sagen das ich ein Kunde bin, der 50 Euro für SH5 bezahlt hat, sowie ich es auch für die anderen SH Spiele gezahlt habe.
In diesem Sinne ist es nicht meine Aufgabe das Spiel zu einem "Releasestatus" zu fixen um so meine Fähigkeiten unter Beweis zu stellen in dem ich die Arbeit von Ubi mache.
Wenn Du darin deine Aufgabe siehst, ok, dann mach es aber komm hier jetzt nicht so rüber das Du an meine Fähigkeiten in Frage stellst nur weil ich mich dieser Aufgabe nicht widme.
Derartige personelle Attacken mag ich ganz und garnicht da sie völlig aus dem Kontext gezogen sind.
Das was ich kann habe ich mit meinen Arbeiten für SH3 und SH4 gezeigt, insbesondere in FOTRS.
Modden ist für mich nicht die Beweisführung meiner Kompetenz und meiner Fähigkeiten sondern mein Hobby welches in der Summe dazu führen soll
das mein gekauftes Spiel in meinen Augen besser und umfangreicher wird.
Es ist auf keinen Fall ein Wettbewerb und schon garnicht die Endkontrollfunktion und Patcharbeit für einen Publisher der es nicht versteht
vernünftige Arbeit abzuliefern.

Ich kann über das was Elanaiba da geschrieben hat nur lachen.
Zusammenarbeit zwischen Moddern und Devs, wir benötigen einander ?
Ja was für eine Zusammenarbeit soll das bitte schön sein ????

Ungefähr ein Jahr vor dem Release von SH5 habe ich eine Mail an Ubi geschickt mit einem Konzept wie man kostengünstig eine perfekte U-Sim unter Einbeziehung ausgesuchter erstklassiger Modder auf die Beine stellen könnte.
Es kam keine Antwort.
Jetzt wo das Kind in den Brunnen gefallen ist brauchen wir die Zusammenarbeit , brauchen wir einander ?

Weißt Du eigentlich warum das kleine Deutschland im Maschinenbau Weltweit so erfolgreich ist.
Wir machen uns erstmal einen Plan bevor wir anfangen zu basteln.
Konzeption ist das Geheimniss des Erfolges.

Als Projektmanager sollte man den Überblick haben über das was in dem Rahmen aus Zeit und Geld realisierbar ist.
Am anfang hieß es doch das in SH5 wie in SH3 alle Boote enthalten seien sollen.
Dann aber wurde uns eine schöne Geschichte präsentiert warum das nicht so ist.
Das ist doch der perfekte Beweis das es genau an diesem Überblick mangelte.
Ich halte die Ausrede die Dan damals in dem Interview gegeben hat für eine der schlimmsten Lügen überhaupt.
Es gibt nur Typ VII Boote weil ........ und die Kampagne geht nur bis Mai 43 weil ........
Totaler Humbug, das gibts nicht weil sie sich verzettelt haben.

Der erste Blick einer produzierender Firma sollte immer der Blick auf die Qualität ihrer Produkte sein und nicht der Blick auf das Geld was man erwirtschaften könnte.
Dann nämlich kommt der Erfolg und das Geld automatisch.
So machen die Unternehmen in Deutschland es und das ist der Grund warum deutsche Autos weltweit so beliebt sind.
Das ist der Grund warum Deutschland im Maschinenbau Weltführend ist.

Die Qualität eines Produktes wird nicht von der Marketingabteilung bestimmt und gemacht, sie entsteht ausschließlich in der Entwicklungsabteilung und der Produktionsabteilung.
Die Marketingfuzzies haben lediglich für eine perfekte Vermarktung zu sorgen.

Bei Ubi ist das genau umgekehrt, dort regieren die Vermarkter und die Qualität der Produkte steht hinten an.
Sorry aber für so einen Verein ziehe ich nicht mehr die Kuh vom Eis.

Ich haben fertig !

Gruß

Maddy

[Nisgeis]

I had low expectations for this thread and yet somehow, it is much, much worse. I read the OP again and had to laugh. I don't think many people here are objective when it comes to SH5.

[McBeck]

Dead horse coming through - get out of the way...

[Zedi]

I kinda agree with MadMax, especially with the german engineering ... <3 Audi & VW :P
But.. given the cards on the table, what u gonna do? Play forever that ancient SH3, or save SH5? Not to menion that SH5 is more likely the last in the series. At least I (and many more) will never buy another one with Ubi logo on. So this german technology and way of plan/do things speech is nice, but will not help any1 in anyway.

[AOTD_MadMax]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I kinda agree with MadMax, especially with the german engineering ... <3 Audi & VW :P
But.. given the cards on the table, what u gonna do? Play forever that ancient SH3, or save SH5? Not to menion that SH5 is more likely the last in the series. At least I (and many more) will never buy another one with Ubi logo on. So this german technology and way of plan/do things speech is nice, but will not help any1 in anyway.

Hi Magnum,

i will tell you what i will do !

Now we got summer here in Germany and the weather is fine.
As an biker ( BMW K100RS 16V btw. the best engineered bike ever ) i will spend my time by driving my bike in my free time.
I must be an complete idiot using this time by fixing any Bugs of any game ever.
Ok, i like subsims and i like to play them but life is to short to spend all he time with modding and in case of SH5 by fixing stupid bugs.

I wait for another Patch and i wait for an tool where you can edit the stupid GR2-Files for bringing more units to SH5.
If this patch wont come and if those needed tool wont come i will do nothing on SH5.
Its not my job to create this tool and really, iam not in a condition to create this tool cause iam not an programmer like some other modders here.
Maybe Privateer will judge my skill now but who cares ???
And first i have to Upgrade my "Fall of the rising sun" for SH4.
There is an big "to do list" i have to work on.

For me SH4 is not dead, just like SH3.
My next plan is an Destroyer-Campain for SH4 with multiple playable destroyerunits beginning with old Clemson class over Gleaves, Somers, Benson to Fletcher, Sumner and Gearing class on US-side.
This could be interesting.

Regards

Maddy

[Reece]

Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

Hi Magnum,

i will tell you what i will do !

Now we got summer here in Germany and the weather is fine.
As an biker ( BMW K100RS 16V btw. the best engineered bike ever ) i will spend my time by driving my bike in my free time.
I must be an complete idiot using this time by fixing any Bugs of any game ever.
Ok, i like subsims and i like to play them but life is to short to spend all he time with modding and in case of SH5 by fixing stupid bugs.

I wait for another Patch and i wait for an tool where you can edit the stupid GR2-Files for bringing more units to SH5.
If this patch wont come and if those needed tool wont come i will do nothing on SH5.
Its not my job to create this tool and really, iam not in a condition to create this tool cause iam not an programmer like some other modders here.
Maybe Privateer will judge my skill now but who cares ???
And first i have to Upgrade my "Fall of the rising sun" for SH4.
There is an big "to do list" i have to work on.

For me SH4 is not dead, just like SH3.
My next plan is an Destroyer-Campain for SH4 with multiple playable destroyerunits beginning with old Clemson class over Gleaves, Somers, Benson to Fletcher, Sumner and Gearing class on US-side.
This could be interesting.

Regards

Maddy

Thing is if Ubi drops SH5 servers then the game is useless, unless they release a patch, and I wouldn't bet on them doing that, so all the work would be for nothing. Also I don't have a good enough internet connection to stay online so the game is out of reach for me anyway, there are probably a lot of modders that don't have SH5 because of this.
I love your bike mate, would love to upgrade if I could afford it, I have an old 87 K100RT, still goes well though, the wife and I go on short holidays when the weather is nice!!
Cheers.