Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America

[Stealth Hunter]

Gov'ment 'gonn take our religion and our guns...

[Ducimus]

I've always sat on the fence where gun control is concerned.

On one hand their just a tool like any another. A skill saw, table saw, hammer drill, powder actuated, whatever. Like any tool it's designed to do a specific job. And Tools typically don't go off by themselves, someone has to use them.

On the other hand, some tools are designed to do a job that you probably aren't going to be doing as a civilian, at least not lawfully (exception here being castle laws).

To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

[krashkart]

I'm kind of on the fence about gun control, but also an avid shooter and gun lover. I really don't think that blanket laws keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands, but I'd be interested to see a solution that actually works for everyone.

Isn't this a repeat of "How graciouse of them"?

[gimpy117]

oh what a comprehensive test you've done!!! that really proves a lot!! how silly we all are!

yeah well how about you give a fully loaded SKS to a mentally unstable kid, or a gang member in the inner city and see if it's used to kill people.

I agree with ducimis though...I like shooting My K-98 and it can also be a fine hunting rifle when properly equipped (or in military configuration) but an Ak, M-16 or ANY type of pistol have one job: killing people. I think these guns should be harder to get.

The US has 65% of its murders with firearms.Only Colombia and Uruguay have a higher ratio of guns murders/murders with about 80% and 75% of it's murders by guns

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Isn't this a repeat of "How graciouse of them"?

No it is not. That thread is about how nearly half the judges disagree with the constitution.

Oh and GR I'm not sure I would have made this experiment public in as much you put the public in reckless endangerment by not having direct supervision of the un attended firearms....

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh and GR I'm not sure I would have made this experiment public in as much you put the public in reckless endangerment by not having direct supervision of the un attended firearms....

totally agree...I shoot often and the first rule is gun safety, 100% of the time. and leaving a loaded gun unattended is something that should never be done.

[cheese123]

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

[Aramike]

To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

You're not waffliing ... you're ignoring your instinct.

Do you really think that a law banning a murderous gangbanger from owning a gun is going to stop him?

I doubt you do.

It's just like telling the burglar that invading people's homes is illegal. Hmmm...

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by cheese123

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

Oh save the drama! The courts have TIME and TIME again ruled against the Anti-Gun crowd. Yet ANY mention of ANY ruling or law has gun nuts coming out of the woodwork.

Rabid Anti-Gun was an 80s thing. Move on. Every nut has guns these days.

[raymond6751]

Originally Posted by cheese123

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

Up in the North country we have mandatory extra years added to the sentence when a crime is committed using a firearm. We also have life for killing a police officer, any way you do it.

Maybe coming down extra hard on the guys and gals who do shoot someone might help. You just have to be very very sure that you shoot the right person and don't miss. A bullet goes a long way.

Stats don't show how many people are killed or maimed by stray shots intended for someone else. That happens a lot, even in Canada.