The REAL Effect of Obama's Policies Regarding Jobs

[Aramike]

http://www.jsonline.com/business/97225544.html

Up to 1,000 jobs at Bucyrus International Inc. and its suppliers could be in jeopardy as the result of a decision by the U.S. Export-Import Bank, funded by Congress, to deny several hundred million dollars in loan guarantees to a coal-fired power plant and mine in India.

The reason: the administration's insistance upon so-called green jobs runs afoul of US guarantees for high-carbon projects.

This, of all things, shows the absolute STUPIDITY of Obama's policies, and how they impact real people in the real world.

Does anyone truly believe that India will cease its projects to build coal-fired energy plants? Of course not! So what's the net result: US jobs move overseas, and ABSOLUTELY NO reduction whatsoever in eventual carbon emissions.

The administration's pipe dreams are dramatically hurting the private sector, the same one which they will raise taxes on dramatically. They are imposing policy for the sole purpose of sounding good to their ideologically-aligned talking heads without regard for considering the real impact such decisions make.

This is unbelievable!

I must note that the decision is being reconsidered. Furthermore, I must note that the leftist union representing Steelworkers, local Democrats and Republicans are all against this decision. However, I find it completely ironic that those on the left who are now protesting the results of Obama's policy, are wholly supportive when it is proposed. Governor Jim Doyle (D) and Mayor/Gubenatorial Candidate Tom Barrett (D) both support Wisconsin "Green Jobs" proposals, which are the same types of slippery slopes which are being slid down here.

[Aramike]

Just a note: not a year and a half ago this thread would have met stiff leftist resistance on here. It seems as though Obama-mania is waning.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Just a note: not a year and a half ago this thread would have met stiff leftist resistance on here. It seems as though Obama-mania is waning.

That's a typical trend, whether it be amongst the citizenry or the lobbyists or the press. You'd think that we'd learn sooner or later, but mark my words, it'll be the same crap in the next election. People honestly believe the impossible crap they are promised.

I really think that the true nature of Washington politics ought to be taught in public schools; it might save us from having to go through this nonsense every four years.

[SteamWake]

It would certainly appear that the man has set out to destroy not only the coal industry but the oil industry as well.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Just a note: not a year and a half ago this thread would have met stiff leftist resistance on here. It seems as though Obama-mania is waning.

Not many leftists here though, so I dunno what you mean by stiff resistance. IMHO the balance of this forum is mostly right leaning, with a reasonable number of moderates (such as myself).

Me I never supported Obama (or McCain for that matter). I though out of the options available Hillary might have been the best candidate. I certainly didn't believe Obama's platform of 'change', and thought he was far to inexperienced and relying too much on charisma to get elected. But then that is one of the major reasons why I don't support the general democratic system... most people seem to vote for the stupidest reasons (looks and charisma, over capability and policy).

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Just a note: not a year and a half ago this thread would have met stiff leftist resistance on here. It seems as though Obama-mania is waning.

Well, I am disappointed in him, but for far different reasons than yours, I'm sure.

But I personally have come to the conclusion that trying to argue with fanatics only frustrates you, and fuels the fanatics fires. You'll never change someone's mind here, as this forum seems to be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Is it time for fantasy football season yet?

[nikimcbee]

Not to change subjects...

Is it time for fantasy football season yet?

So you've come back for more eh?

It's still a little early for me to think about FF, but I guess it is almost about that time.

[CaptainHaplo]

I'd love to get into a FF thing - but someone would have to explain to me how it works.

Go Panthers! *And yes - Matt Moore will be a FF steal, mark my words!*

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I'd love to get into a FF thing - but someone would have to explain to me how it works.

Go Panthers! *And yes - Matt Moore will be a FF steal, mark my words!*

oh brother, another panther fan.

anywhoo- before Mike's thread get's hijacked
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171661

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Well, I am disappointed in him, but for far different reasons than yours, I'm sure.

But I personally have come to the conclusion that trying to argue with fanatics only frustrates you, and fuels the fanatics fires. You'll never change someone's mind here, as this forum seems to be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Is it time for fantasy football season yet?

I don't disagree with you on the last necessarily.

However, what I was trying to solicit is a response to the issue specifically. Personally, I believe the decisions this administration has had an indefensible effect on the economy. Indeed, I want to see someone defend this particular case in point - give me an ACTUAL benefit that we gain from these policies.

Ultimately, my wish is for people to take a moment, look back, and reflect upon whether or not the ideologies they've so invested in are actually helpful in attaining their goals. Surely the topic of this post helps nothing - not in growing/sustaining employment, and not in a reduction of carbon emmissions.

So we've screwed ourselves because it SOUNDS good to say that we won't guarantee financing for "non-green" projects.

You see what I'm saying?

Now, I have to divert this into a more broad generalization of the left (sorry, mookie) ... The Democrats claim to be a party of inclusion. Indeed, they are. They welcome all sorts of unlikely bedfellows - unions, gays, pro-abortion Catholics, athiests, Jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, rich, poor, socialist, corporate, big government, environmentalist etc.

The GOP, on the other hand, is fairly exclusionary in its viewpoint - generally, if you're conservative, you're a family-values Christian, anti-abortion, white, pro-business, free-market (not necessarily corporate but not anti-corporate), non-union, pro-gun, etc.

Here's the thing: the latter makes sense. Most of the right's values fits most of its members. On the other hand, the left has many groups who's values are in DIRECT opposition with other sub-groups within the party. For instance, in majority blacks are decidedly anti-gay. Atheists are decidedly anti-religion. Corporations are decidedly anti-union. Environmentalists have policies that are COMPLETELY anti-union.

How can a party be at such odds with one another and stay on message? And, as an extension of that, how can it actually be inclusive when so many of its viewpoints are mutually exclusive?

It's only yet another example of how what one says is more important than what one really stands for, when it comes to our nation's political environment.

This is why I consider myself independant, leaning conservative. The values of the GOP don't contradict my own in any meaningful way (okay, I'm an athiest who believes in environmentalism). However, Democratic viewpoints just don't add up. Okay, so we agree on environmentalism. But I believe in free-market economics. My viewpoint on the latter is directly impactful. And, while I agree with preserving the environment, steps the Democrats are taking have little promise of impacting THAT particular subject, but certainly have negative impacts on us economically. Unions believe in keeping American jobs here, but environmentalist promote policies that force jobs overseas (and have no real impact on the environment).

It's a long ramble, I know. But I think it's an important point to make. No one in their right minds would have promoted such a policy as is the subject of this thread, if their interest was American jobs. But the REAL impact was overlooked for the "feel good, we're doing something for the environment" impact.

This is disgraceful, and I think it stands as a prime, pragmatic example of what happens when high theoretical ideologies meet reality.

[Aramike]

Oh yes, and I can't wait for the next FF season...