Japaneese... "Go to bed early to fight global warming"

Skybird · 06-24-10, 03:51 PM

Brilliant.

The change between normal and summer time also was introduced to save energy, after the oil shock of the early 70s. But that turned out to be a myth that did not work. We know today that switching to summertime during summer does not change general energy consummation of a nation.

Something tells me that this sleep invitation in japan also will not have the wanted result. Maybe because people who go to bed early, tend to raise earlier, too.

UnderseaLcpl · 06-24-10, 04:36 PM

Most Americans would simply ignore such a thing. There's only one effective way to get people to cut energy usage, and that is to raise the rates. Unfortunately, as with so many policies, that too would have unintended side-effects. If rates rise above the prevailing market cost you will have a shortage of energy in no time as enrgy is exported, or plants get mothballed and mines get closed to save on costs. The market is the only thing that can effectively govern such policy, as a drop or rise in rates is always preceded and accompanied by other factors, such as plants or mines being opened or energy being imported/exported.

gordonmull · 06-24-10, 05:14 PM

Take note all politicians that want to say they are really DOING someting for the environment!

That one's an absolute gem

I say the brits can go one better than the japs. We'll all go to bed as soon as we get home from work and sell our bed time to other nations that want to go to bed later.

Platapus · 06-24-10, 05:20 PM

I wish there was a way to meter each individual outlet in the house. That would be one way to bring parasitic electricity usage to people's attention.

The fact that my electricity bill is, say, $200.00 per month does not really mean much, but if I knew that my TVs/Cableboxs/DVRs are using, say, $30.00 even when I don't use it, that will bring things to mind.

What is killing our electricity use is all the stuff that draws electricity even when it is not being used! I know it is a problem in our house.

5 computers
7 monitors
2 printers
1 scanner
Router/switches/hubs out the butt

all powered up for the 10 hours we are all at work. How much electricity am I wasting? Dunno, probably don't really care. How much is this wasted electricity costing me, that I would care about!

And please don't even ask about our stupid "home theater" system $$$$$$$

(actually we do care and we are trying to remember to really power down stuff, we are just not doing very well on it)

SteamWake · 06-24-10, 05:37 PM

Parasitic electricity useage ??? What in the hell ???

Anyhow you may very well get your wish or close to it. Thats what smart grid is all about. Being 'monitored' as to your energy usage. I guess if you use to much the goverment comes and turns off the lights.

Skybird · 06-24-10, 05:38 PM

200 dollars...?

Usually, the more water or electricity of quantities of somethign you buy/consume, the cheaper a price per item you get (rabate). That way, those consuming much, get rewarded. It should be different. the more you consume, the more expensive per item/quantity the price becomes.

Like with health insurrance, in principle. If ypou stay healthy, you get punished: your money is taken away, but you get no comkensation. But when you become ill, then you get a return, in drugs, treatements, services. The system motivates you to become ill.

I like how they did in ancient China. His royal emperor'S majesty had personal doctors, who got rewarded and well payed as long as his majesty stayed healthy. When his majesty became ill, the doctors lost their job and income - or their head, whatever was considered to be more precious.

raymond6751 · 06-24-10, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Most Americans would simply ignore such a thing. There's only one effective way to get people to cut energy usage, and that is to raise the rates. Unfortunately, as with so many policies, that too would have unintended side-effects. If rates rise above the prevailing market cost you will have a shortage of energy in no time as enrgy is exported, or plants get mothballed and mines get closed to save on costs. The market is the only thing that can effectively govern such policy, as a drop or rise in rates is always preceded and accompanied by other factors, such as plants or mines being opened or energy being imported/exported.

It's like picking up litter. If everyone does it a little, it makes a difference. The problem with people, American or anyone, is we feel too small to make a difference...not so.

Platapus · 06-24-10, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymond6751

It's like picking up litter. If everyone does it a little, it makes a difference. The problem with people, American or anyone, is we feel too small to make a difference...not so.

Almost funny story from one of my environmental management classes.

Our instructor once said that if every person in the US, picked up one piece of trash, every day and disposed of it.....we would totally overload the refuse system causing widespread consequences.

She was a pretty cool instructor.

FIREWALL · 06-24-10, 08:08 PM

Some of you peeps need to get out into the fresh air and sunshine.

Oberon · 06-25-10, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Some of you peeps need to get out into the fresh air and sunshine.

It Burns! It Burns!

SteamWake · 06-25-10, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

Almost funny story from one of my environmental management classes.

Oh boy does that ever explain alot...

Platapus · 06-25-10, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh boy does that ever explain alot...

Well, yeah, you probably have a good point there.

06-24-10, 03:51 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,654 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Brilliant. The change between normal and summer time also was introduced to save energy, after the oil shock of the early 70s. But that turned out to be a myth that did not work. We know today that switching to summertime during summer does not change general energy consummation of a nation. Something tells me that this sleep invitation in japan also will not have the wanted result. Maybe because people who go to bed early, tend to raise earlier, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-24-10, 04:36 PM	#2
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Most Americans would simply ignore such a thing. There's only one effective way to get people to cut energy usage, and that is to raise the rates. Unfortunately, as with so many policies, that too would have unintended side-effects. If rates rise above the prevailing market cost you will have a shortage of energy in no time as enrgy is exported, or plants get mothballed and mines get closed to save on costs. The market is the only thing that can effectively govern such policy, as a drop or rise in rates is always preceded and accompanied by other factors, such as plants or mines being opened or energy being imported/exported. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

06-24-10, 05:20 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,380 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I wish there was a way to meter each individual outlet in the house. That would be one way to bring parasitic electricity usage to people's attention. The fact that my electricity bill is, say, $200.00 per month does not really mean much, but if I knew that my TVs/Cableboxs/DVRs are using, say, $30.00 even when I don't use it, that will bring things to mind. What is killing our electricity use is all the stuff that draws electricity even when it is not being used! I know it is a problem in our house. 5 computers 7 monitors 2 printers 1 scanner Router/switches/hubs out the butt all powered up for the 10 hours we are all at work. How much electricity am I wasting? Dunno, probably don't really care. How much is this wasted electricity costing me, that I would care about! And please don't even ask about our stupid "home theater" system $$$$$$$ (actually we do care and we are trying to remember to really power down stuff, we are just not doing very well on it) __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-24-10, 05:37 PM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Parasitic electricity useage ??? What in the hell ??? Anyhow you may very well get your wish or close to it. Thats what smart grid is all about. Being 'monitored' as to your energy usage. I guess if you use to much the goverment comes and turns off the lights. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-24-10, 05:38 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,654 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	200 dollars...? Usually, the more water or electricity of quantities of somethign you buy/consume, the cheaper a price per item you get (rabate). That way, those consuming much, get rewarded. It should be different. the more you consume, the more expensive per item/quantity the price becomes. Like with health insurrance, in principle. If ypou stay healthy, you get punished: your money is taken away, but you get no comkensation. But when you become ill, then you get a return, in drugs, treatements, services. The system motivates you to become ill. I like how they did in ancient China. His royal emperor'S majesty had personal doctors, who got rewarded and well payed as long as his majesty stayed healthy. When his majesty became ill, the doctors lost their job and income - or their head, whatever was considered to be more precious. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-24-10, 05:14 PM	#3
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Take note all politicians that want to say they are really DOING someting for the environment! That one's an absolute gem I say the brits can go one better than the japs. We'll all go to bed as soon as we get home from work and sell our bed time to other nations that want to go to bed later.

06-24-10, 08:08 PM	#9
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Some of you peeps need to get out into the fresh air and sunshine. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

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