Report: Israel attacks flotilla, 10 die

MH · 06-07-10, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

There you go, it was really that simple wasn't it, what you wrote was not true and you knew it wasn't true.
You were doing absolutes where there are non, you keep falling into the one sided trap.

I dont know what you saying -all i wrote is true.
You still rant abouts something i don't understand.
You want me to admit to some things i cant.Maybe that we are baby-killers?
Why don't you please just spell it out if you are so sure that i lie.
I I'm not shamed to admit to anything that IS true.

tater · 06-07-10, 10:30 AM

For those reflexive leftists here, don't you hate fundamentalists? Say Jerry Falwell (sp?) and his ilk?

I sure do. They are regressive, and against everything positive and humanist accomplished by western civilization.

Hamas, and this "aid group" are Islamists. They, like all other sects of Islam with more than a handful of members are fundamentalists (biblical or in this case koranic literalists). All. The shining light of Islamic secularism is...

Turkey.

Now run by, you guessed it, Islamists.

Why always side with fundamentalist Islamists? They are against everything the political left stands for socially.

The real issue is one of geopolitics. We need the destabilizing force of Israel in the Eastern Med and Western Middle East. An ascendant Turkey is showing itself to be a Bad Thing™. As the more traditional Easterners have outbred the more secular West, the demographics have changed, and I fear that Turkey is going to be a powerful, Islamist state. This is bad. Period.

If they get truly powerful, and Europe starts having problems, will the Poles come down and save civilization again? I hope so.

Happy Times · 06-07-10, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

For those reflexive leftists here, don't you hate fundamentalists? Say Jerry Falwell (sp?) and his ilk?

I sure do. They are regressive, and against everything positive and humanist accomplished by western civilization.

Hamas, and this "aid group" are Islamists. They, like all other sects of Islam with more than a handful of members are fundamentalists (biblical or in this case koranic literalists). All. The shining light of Islamic secularism is...

Turkey.

Now run by, you guessed it, Islamists.

Why always side with scumbag terrorists? The issue is one of geopolitics. We need the destabilizing force of Israel in the Eastern Med and Western Middle East. An ascendant Turkey is showing itself to be a Bad Thing™. As the more traditional Easterners have outbred the more secular West, the demographics have changed, and I fear that Turkey is going to be a powerful, Islamist state. This is bad. Period.

If they get truly powerful, and Europe starts having problems, will the Poles come down and save civilization again? I hope so.

LOL, i just watched from Finnish news a story of the Dutch election, these scarfed muslim women said that they were told in the mosque to vote for the socialists.

06-07-10, 12:05 PM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...699065,00.html

Der Spiegel: "Israel's voyage into isolation"

"At the end of the conversation, Ayalon says something that suggests that the Israelis may in fact have learned something last week: "Perhaps it was a mistake to storm the ships.""

Oh well, better late then never.

tater · 06-07-10, 01:07 PM

Yeah, because what we really need on earth is another medieval, repressive Islamic state that exists solely on the hand-outs from people who have a clue what "work" means.

Then they can have yet more dirt and rocks. Israelis turn it into civilization, and "Palestinians" (a historical non-entity as a unique group) will use the dirt to bury women, and the rocks to stone them to death for some idiotic crime against chastity.

VonHesse · 06-07-10, 01:25 PM

Iranian Red Crescent to send two ships to Gaza.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177713

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The decision to send aid ships follows earlier announcements by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that Revolutionary Guards could be sent to protect ships sailing for Gaza.

Storm clouds on the horizon

Jimbuna · 06-07-10, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VonHesse

Iranian Red Crescent to send two ships to Gaza.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177713

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The decision to send aid ships follows earlier announcements by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that Revolutionary Guards could be sent to protect ships sailing for Gaza.

Storm clouds on the horizon

And there would be the red rag to the bull...I can't see the Israelis flinching from trading blows with the Iranians....especially in the face of such provocation.

tater · 06-07-10, 01:51 PM

Iran pushing is less about Israel than it is about the perceived weakness of the current US Administration.

US open hand once again meets Iranian closed fist.

I should add that there is also an Iran vs Turkey element going on here.

DarkFish · 06-07-10, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

LOL, i just watched from Finnish news a story of the Dutch election, these scarfed muslim women said that they were told in the mosque to vote for the socialists.

I really doubt they were told to vote for the Socialist Party (the only real socialists, there are other (extreme) leftist parties, but these aren't socialists). The SP is for example against immigration from non-warzone countries, against burqas etc.

Bilge_Rat · 06-07-10, 03:27 PM

I'm surprised this has not caused more of a flap.

Reuters and a Turkish Newspaper published photos of IDF commandos being subdued during the boarding of the Marmara where weapons and blood were cropped out of the photos.

If Israel had done this, the Blogosphere would be all over it, but I guess its ok when it is done to help out the helpless "Peace Activists"..

http://www.crethiplethi.com/media-bi...d/israel/2010/

TLAM Strike · 06-07-10, 04:38 PM

This just in: 4 Palestinians try to conduct a SEAL type raid against Israel from Gaza.

Happy Times · 06-07-10, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

This just in: 4 Palestinians try to conduct a SEAL type raid against Israel from Gaza.

Trained seals would have done better.

Happy Times · 06-07-10, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

I really doubt they were told to vote for the Socialist Party (the only real socialists, there are other (extreme) leftist parties, but these aren't socialists). The SP is for example against immigration from non-warzone countries, against burqas etc.

What is your biggest socialist party? They were referring to that.

TLAM Strike · 06-07-10, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

LOL, i just watched from Finnish news a story of the Dutch election, these scarfed muslim women said that they were told in the mosque to vote for the socialists.

IIRC any "place of worship" that tries to endorse a candidate or party in an election runs the risk of losing its tax exempt status in the USA.

Happy Times · 06-07-10, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

IIRC any "place of worship" that tries to endorse a candidate or party in an election runs the risk of losing its tax exempt status in the USA.

Then the FBI should bug all the mosques, they are hubs of different illegal activity besides terrorism.

06-07-10, 01:51 PM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Iran pushing is less about Israel than it is about the perceived weakness of the current US Administration. US open hand once again meets Iranian closed fist. I should add that there is also an Iran vs Turkey element going on here. Last edited by tater; 06-07-10 at 02:06 PM.

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Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I'm surprised this has not caused more of a flap. Reuters and a Turkish Newspaper published photos of IDF commandos being subdued during the boarding of the Marmara where weapons and blood were cropped out of the photos. If Israel had done this, the Blogosphere would be all over it, but I guess its ok when it is done to help out the helpless "Peace Activists".. http://www.crethiplethi.com/media-bi...d/israel/2010/ __________________ Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 06-07-10 at 03:50 PM.

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TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	This just in: 4 Palestinians try to conduct a SEAL type raid against Israel from Gaza. __________________

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06-07-10, 10:30 AM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	For those reflexive leftists here, don't you hate fundamentalists? Say Jerry Falwell (sp?) and his ilk? I sure do. They are regressive, and against everything positive and humanist accomplished by western civilization. Hamas, and this "aid group" are Islamists. They, like all other sects of Islam with more than a handful of members are fundamentalists (biblical or in this case koranic literalists). All. The shining light of Islamic secularism is... Turkey. Now run by, you guessed it, Islamists. Why always side with fundamentalist Islamists? They are against everything the political left stands for socially. The real issue is one of geopolitics. We need the destabilizing force of Israel in the Eastern Med and Western Middle East. An ascendant Turkey is showing itself to be a Bad Thing™. As the more traditional Easterners have outbred the more secular West, the demographics have changed, and I fear that Turkey is going to be a powerful, Islamist state. This is bad. Period. If they get truly powerful, and Europe starts having problems, will the Poles come down and save civilization again? I hope so.

06-07-10, 12:05 PM	#4
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	http://www.spiegel.de/international/...699065,00.html Der Spiegel: "Israel's voyage into isolation" "At the end of the conversation, Ayalon says something that suggests that the Israelis may in fact have learned something last week: "Perhaps it was a mistake to storm the ships."" Oh well, better late then never.

06-07-10, 01:07 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, because what we really need on earth is another medieval, repressive Islamic state that exists solely on the hand-outs from people who have a clue what "work" means. Then they can have yet more dirt and rocks. Israelis turn it into civilization, and "Palestinians" (a historical non-entity as a unique group) will use the dirt to bury women, and the rocks to stone them to death for some idiotic crime against chastity.