Perverting of Europe continues

[Platapus]

Honestly, I think some people on this site (and General Topics in particular) specifically look for reasons to get spun up.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Honestly, I think some people on this site (and General Topics in particular) specifically look for reasons to get spun up.

Maybe that is because you do not think the issue (described in this thread) to the end and thus live in ignorrance of it'S far-reaching cultural consequences (which already mess up german education policies as well. Two of my closest friends are teacher, my grandfather also was. They are describing an epidemic of PC crap, administrational desire for streamlining, and madness. One guy, after just ten years in service, is close to throwing the towel and leave his profession).

Or maybe that is because this kind of thinking complained about in this thread matches your own - I honestly can't tell.

When i was a kid i saw many young proud mothers (19-22) carrying baby in they arms, and now girls only care about party and alcohol. When they get pregnant (by accident as usual) they throw baby to dumpster. This is how i see a "new world order" in action (don`t like it, deal with that). Kids age 14-15 dressed up like prostitutes, no values no self respect no nothing. The only question is where are the parents? This is how i see a world today, generation of idiots... "GOOD JOB" .

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

When i was a kid i saw many young proud mothers (19-22) carrying baby in they arms, and now girls only care about party and alcohol. When they get pregnant (by accident as usual) they throw baby to dumpster. This is how i see a "new world order" in action (don`t like it, deal with that). Kids age 14-15 dressed up like prostitutes, no values no self respect no nothing. The only question is where are the parents? This is how i see a world today, generation of idiots... "GOOD JOB" .

Well said.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

When i was a kid i saw many young proud mothers (19-22) carrying baby in they arms, and now girls only care about party and alcohol.

Some scholars point to the invention of alcohol in the late 1980's as the beginning of the end.

When they get pregnant (by accident as usual) they throw baby to dumpster. This is how i see a "new world order" in action (don`t like it, deal with that). Kids age 14-15 dressed up like prostitutes, no values no self respect no nothing. The only question is where are the parents? This is how i see a world today, generation of idiots... "GOOD JOB" .

Plenty of great kids being raised by great parents. As always.
Somebody dig up that Socrates (Aristotle?) quote about those BLOODY KIDS THESE DAYS

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Some scholars point to the invention of alcohol in the late 1980's as the beginning of the end.


Plenty of great kids being raised by great parents. As always.
Somebody dig up that Socrates (Aristotle?) quote about those BLOODY KIDS THESE DAYS

I didn`t mention the whole mankind in that matter, and when it comes to "dig up" i think i am not so good at it. Its probably something that have to do with freedom of expression or something. Not anyone like it...as always.

Anyway, what`s your main point? Want to prove me wrong or say that my opinion is harsh? Educate your kids so they will have some values in life. Bye

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Somebody dig up that Socrates (Aristotle?) quote about those BLOODY KIDS THESE DAYS

You might be thinking of this one, commonly attributed to Plato.

What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?

Unfortunately there is not verification that I could find that it is any older than the early twentieth century. Still, it is fairly evident that the decline of morals in youth has always been a complaint of their elders.

[Respenus]

While it is true that elders always complain about the lacking morals of younger generations and seemingly we have survived, you must admit that sometimes things get so low, that they need to be reset. In the past, it might have been limited (to my knowledge, I may be wrong), to a certain strata of society (usually the rich one), with enough left to balance things out (today its every single group, the distinction being how expensive a drink or party you can afford). Nowadays, go take a walk by Ljubljanica in the summer (or any time frankly). While this would be unthinkable in the past, there are alcohol cans and empty wine bottles everywhere. I feel pity for the poor worker who needs to clean it up every single day.

I understand that some of us may be old-fashioned and might overreact slightly to certain events, yet there is a sociologically perceived point where things can no longer move forward, as too big a part of the population can no longer be bothered to do anything. I've said in my previous post, I'm not sure 1% of the youth today is willing or even capable to take on the challenge of ensuring further survival and development. And those who do are usually sociopaths, power-seeking, money grabbing little bastards making life horrible for everyone. And the rest keep on partying like there is no tomorrow. There are two problems are perceive, and are in a way problems of humans in general. First is the inability to look or even be willing to consider the future, when things might change and ambrosia might not be as freely available as today. The second is social responsibility, both towards the members of your local community and mankind in general. Although I'll be first to admit I live more than a life of luxury (being middle class is more than I need) and am spoiled in certain regards, I'll also be the first one to point out that there are others who are not as lucky and on whose back, most probably, our fortune was built.

Add to all of this the inherent willingness of the legislators to pass a law on every damned thing, which is impossible. Laws must by definition be absolute, or leave very little room for manoeuvre, as otherwise they would be ineffective. Society on the other hand knows of not absolutes, nothing is black and white and everything is grey. Going back to my first post, I spoke about corporeal punishment of children. While it is required for law to protect the weak, in this case, a child from parental abuse (beating the child senseless), I do not accept that it take away from me a form of punishment that works, has worked since time immemorial and leaves little mental scarring. Sometimes, locking you kid in a room or taking away his toys just doesn't cut it. Sometimes they do not listen and then come out with "I have rights, you cannot touch me" routine. If the state wishes to raise my child, let them. But as long as I must take care of him, feed him, cloth him and try to prepare him for the cruel world that is out there, the permissiveness of today's western society should be put into question, while trying not to return to the old extremes of men being the rulers of life of both their wives (partners in order to be fair to homosexuals) and children.

It is a complex question, which requires a complex solution. The best thing is to step back, take a good look and try to solve this without the system of law (from either local, regional, state or supranational level) interfering with every minimal choice in a person's life.

where do you come up with such drivel?

Perhaps you should read more Israeli newspapers

Israel is a very secular society.

You really should keep up to date.

What do you mean by yes no game?

Surely you realise that as the first post he did made little sense and the subsequent posts have deteriorated further then by no game he means he hasn't a hand to play at all.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Respenus

I've said in my previous post, I'm not sure 1% of the youth today is willing or even capable to take on the challenge of ensuring further survival and development. And those who do are usually sociopaths, power-seeking, money grabbing little bastards making life horrible for everyone. And the rest keep on partying like there is no tomorrow.

I'm not so sure about that. It may seem like that to an outsider, but all my friends (and I) are students or will be studying next year. We ARE the people that are willing, and definitely capable, because of our universitary education, to "ensure further development". That while none of us is a "power-seeking sociopath", and all of us are "partying like there is no tomorrow".

Going back to my first post, I spoke about corporeal punishment of children. While it is required for law to protect the weak, in this case, a child from parental abuse (beating the child senseless), I do not accept that it take away from me a form of punishment that works, has worked since time immemorial and leaves little mental scarring. Sometimes, locking you kid in a room or taking away his toys just doesn't cut it. Sometimes they do not listen and then come out with "I have rights, you cannot touch me" routine.

Corporal punishment is not needed. I've never been hit by any of my parents, but nobody's gonna be able to say I haven't been raised properly. IMHO, a parent that needs to inflict pain, or even threatening to inflict pain for that matter, to keep his/her children under control, is a bad parent (or at least one who's children raising techniques could be improved). A good parent is able to make his/her children do as he/she wishes without all that.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You might be thinking of this one, commonly attributed to Plato.

Unfortunately there is not verification that I could find that it is any older than the early twentieth century. Still, it is fairly evident that the decline of morals in youth has always been a complaint of their elders.

Ah, it was that one indeed

Cheers!

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

When i was a kid i saw many young proud mothers (19-22) carrying baby in they arms, and now girls only care about party and alcohol. When they get pregnant (by accident as usual) they throw baby to dumpster. This is how i see a "new world order" in action (don`t like it, deal with that). Kids age 14-15 dressed up like prostitutes, no values no self respect no nothing. The only question is where are the parents? This is how i see a world today, generation of idiots... "GOOD JOB" .

This is not how I see today's world.
I'm most definitely what you describe as "only caring about parties and alcohol", and many female friends of mine are so as well (as far as partying is concerned, I'm in the lucky position to know more girls than guys )

But I know not a single girl of my age who is pregnant or has a child.
They are out there, surely. But don't pretend it's common.

Kids age 14-15 dressed up like prostitutes, no values no self respect no nothing.

Surely, girls dress much more "sexy" than they did in the past. But is this necessarily a bad thing? From all girls I know (mostly age 17-19), I can tell you all of them do very definitely so have values and self respect. Why make (young) women hide their bodies? You say they have no self-respect, because they hide much less of their body features than past generations. But doesn't the simple fact that they dare to show their looks indicate they're proud of their bodies? Which automatically means they do have self respect.

Surely, girls dress much more "sexy" than they did in the past. But is this necessarily a bad thing?

I din`t say its a bad thing, there are difference between dress openly and dress like an dirty @@@@, especially at age when girl don`t have a passport. If that what moves you its your own business not mine, i`am sorry.

Why make (young) women hide their bodies?

Jumping from one extreme to the other..... You came to the wrong room, jihad - next door.

You say they have no self-respect, because they hide much less of their body features than past generations. But doesn't the simple fact that they dare to show their looks indicate they're proud of their bodies? Which automatically means they do have self respect.

Right... They so proud that you can find they private body parts on the internet... GOOD JOB. .

I'm in the lucky position to know more girls than guys

What is this have to do with the topic? O wait i get it... whatever. I just don`t want to turn this thread into one big roman mess. Boring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

But I know not a single girl of my age who is pregnant or has a child.

Very good. I will drink for that.

They are out there, surely. But don't pretend it's common.

Sure they out there, ready to play 'throw baby into dumpster before parents come home', not so hard to figure out..

only caring about parties and alcohol

Want some more. Coming right up. Beating a girlfriend half to death and post it on the web to gain attention, smells good? I think this one is classic. Real man do this all the time... GOOD JOB

Jumping from one extreme to the other..... You came to the wrong room, jihad - next door.

Is that next door to the modesty "police" where women are attacked in the streets of Jerusalem for not covering their tempting flesh in the approved manner?

especially at age when girl don`t have a passport

The only age when a girl doesn't have a passport is the age when the girls parents didn't apply for one

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that next door to the modesty "police" where women are attacked in the streets of Jerusalem for not covering their tempting flesh in the approved manner?

where do you come up with such drivel?

Israel is a very secular society. Women have as much freedom there as women in north america or western europe.

If you are so worried about the status of women, maybe you should focus on the treatment of women in muslim countries.