What do you feel about SH5 now?

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Wrong. He and others are allowed opinions on SH5 regardless of ownership. It's up to others to decide if they carry any weight. That's the entire point of a discussion board.

If you want UBI worship use the official game forum. Here at Subsim there is no censorship of opinion when it comes to the genre we are all here for.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

Have you picked up on what RR is saying when he expresses his opinions? Here, I'll toss another chip at you: I don't own SH5, but just looking at what I've seen so far tells me a number of things. Number one is that it isn't worth the asking price in it's current state. If you've played the game and been frustrated by the most senseless of bugs that should have been fixed prior to release, you'll know what I've experienced in the past with similar "rush order" games. Furthermore, my knickers are all up in a twist because I was actually looking forward to SH5. The SH3 I currently play is awesome, but newer releases are supposed to be a major step forward, not a rip off. I'll be damned if I'm gonna shell out the clams for something that would probably detract from my game experience and ultimately my wallet. You see my line of thought there?

We have the right to our opinions here regardless of which side of the fence we're on. It's not just SH5 players that read these forums - there are plenty of us waiting in the wings for a glimmer of hope. As soon as we see that (if we do), we'll probably be joining the ranks as owners and players of Silent Hunter 5.

I know you want to stand up for your game, and I've been there plenty of times. But telling us to go away won't stop me or anyone else from making our own points - whether we own the game or not.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Once you have paid your money for the game you have already sent the only message Ubi will ever listen to: cheat me again! Those of us who are jingling the money in our pockets, waiting to purchase a real submarine simulator that respects its customers as honest people at the least or at best as enthusiastic assets in the future sales of a great product are the only ones sending a message that goes beyond "cheat me more!"

Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."

Our message will be effective and final. The customer whose economic behavior is responsible and unyielding always wins. By the way, I have lots of posts in Ubi forums.

i've paid more for far worse. i happen to have good times with sh5. i dont feel cheated and i'm happy to support any company that is willing to take a hit making the niche games i enjoy so much. rock on sh5

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

I don't suppose it's occurred to some of you making snide remarks about people who don't like the game yet still visit that they do so because they like this site and its community?

I've been around for quite a while now. I haven't bought SH5 and won't.

The other thing I don't do is flood the forum with posts about why not. For those who chose to buy it, I hope they enjoy it. I don't seek to detract from their enjoyment.

I'm equally happy to participate in discussions around 'realism' or 'improvements'. I don't see that I need to own the game to do that.

I could do without some people taking the view that I shouldn't post in a thread asking for my opinion simply because they don't like my opinion. Were I to take the same apporach, I'd be suggesting they F-off to sites where everyone is expected to express only ONE opinion (often those sites run by the publishers).

This community isn't like that. It benefits from a divergence of views. I suggest people would do well to remember that.

As an aside, a poll that allows multiple responses is all but useless for any form of analysis without a LOT of work, but it's probably pointless having that discussion.

Cheers

Well this type of post is always welcome since it is made with a mature tone.

Unfortunately, you're a minority here.

Originally Posted by JScones

"So why then post here?"

The same goes here.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by IanC

That doesn't make any sense to me. His point was that those of us who aren't buying SH5 are trying send a message to Ubi that they can't just dish out a bad quality game and expect it to be a success. You're saying I need to buy a copy in order to send that message?

If you want to send them a message, it would make more sense if you would post on their forums rather than here.

As someone already said: ''Complain to those who make the decisions, cuz the readers here don't''

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Méo

If you want to send them a message, it would make more sense if you would post on their forums rather than here.

As someone already said: ''Complain to those who make the decisions, cuz the readers here don't''

I already sent the strongest message possible, by not giving them my 60$. I doubt the Ubi suits read the Ubi forums or take anything being said there seriously.

Originally Posted by Méo

I just wonder for how long people who hate so much this game will feel the need to express their obsession.

And that makes me wonder, when somebody (who supposedly owns the game) posts only about 'the haters' and never about the actual game, just who is the obsessed one?

[Zedi]

I will never understand this attitude. Is like me entering in a Ferrari shop and start bitching about their car and claiming that my Porsche is way better than their red piece of crap so I will never buy a Ferrari. And? Who the *beep* care?!

I do not compare Ferrari nor Porsche with SH5, is just a quick example.. I really hate Ferrari, but I never expressed my opinion about it on their forums, shops or fan community. Is pointless and dumb.

Anyway, I will not continue to argue as seems like I'm the only one bothered by this stuff here. Carry on.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I will never understand this attitude. Is like me entering in a Ferrari shop and start bitching about their car and claiming that my Porsche is way better than their red piece of crap so I will never buy a Ferrari. And? Who the *beep* care?!

I do not compare Ferrari nor Porsche with SH5, is just a quick example.. I really hate Ferrari, but I never expressed my opinion about it on their forums, shops or fan community. Is pointless and dumb.

Anyway, I will not continue to argue as seems like I'm the only one bothered by this stuff here. Carry on.

We've alread had a thread comparing Silent Hunter to cars.

It's not a very good example. This is more like Porsche releasing a new car that has nothing but problems. Ninety percent of the people who bought it complain about it. So I post that my 1970 911 is way better than their new piece of crap. That's the better example.

That said, I want SH5 to succeed. And I wll buy it once the chains are gone, if that ever happens.

But saying people shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions is encouraging tyrrany. Saying you don't think they should post their opinions? I'll support that. You should be able to say anything you like.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I will never understand this attitude. Is like me entering in a Ferrari shop and start bitching about their car and claiming that my Porsche is way better than their red piece of crap so I will never buy a Ferrari.

No, it's much more like a Ferrari expert, lover and owner of previous models, going in a Ferrari shop and complaining because this new model is falling apart and not worthy of the name Ferrari.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by IanC

No, it's much more like a Ferrari expert, lover and owner of previous models, going in a Ferrari shop and complaining because this new model is falling apart and not worthy of the name Ferrari.

I've always liked Aston Martin's myself

[robbo180265]

Seriously though.

You can't stop people posting their opinions - that's just madness , the day that happens in Subsim I'm off.

The whole point of a forum is for people to discuss their differing opinions.

What ticks me off however, is certain people who make claims about the game I.E. bugged, flawed, unplayable etc etc without actually trying the game first.

In other words reporting hearsay as fact - that's what I object to.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Well, they obviously don't hate it as much as they claim, if they are viewing/posting in the SH5 board.

You have to wonder at the logic of these people at times.

Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you that we don't "hate" SH5, in fact we all would love to have SH5 and that is why people are so angry about the issues, in particular UPlay.

I find it sad on a supposedly mature forum like Subsim, that so many posters have adopted this attitude that because Ubi decided my money wasn't as good as yours and Australians by and large weren't worthy of playing their game and then threw me and thousands like me under the bus, you should drink their kool-aid and also say I have no right to post here about a genre of gaming I love and have loved for nearly two decades now.

Why? Because Ubi put in place a system where I can't play the game?

Why would I buy a game I cannot play for no reason other than someone says I'm not important enough for the privilege?

But then hey it is fitting that Ubisoft would discriminate against guys who want to spend just a little time and play a game when spending months on end in Afghanistan isn't it? Can't have us enjoying the same small luxuries as the keyboard warriors and internet tough-guys back home...

I hope you enjoy SH5 in your comfortable study in Europe, because the guys standing on the wall keeping your sorry arse safe can't.

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

We've alread had a thread comparing Silent Hunter to cars.

It's not a very good example. This is more like Porsche releasing a new car that has nothing but problems. Ninety percent of the people who bought it complain about it. So I post that my 1970 911 is way better than their new piece of crap. That's the better example.

That said, I want SH5 to succeed. And I wll buy it once the chains are gone, if that ever happens.

But saying people shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions is encouraging tyrrany. Saying you don't think they should post their opinions? I'll support that. You should be able to say anything you like.

Oke, then let me put it in this way. I have a Ferrari and something is not right with it, just last day a redneck with a noname car managed to own me on the highway. So I come back to the shop to smash their heads because selling me a "bugged" car. But what a surprise.. the shop is full with Porsche fans who already set the shop in the flame and they are bitching about .. Ferrari. Why? Because they love to race, but they consider that Ferrari is not able to build a competitive sport car. O.O

My advice, give up on 1 or 2 burgers and buy the game. Yes, is that cheap now. Play it, test it then come back and post your opinion and what really bothers you and makes you game experience to be a bad one. I love SH5 and I would spend another 50 EUR on it if I should to do it for any reason. But it bothers me that is very bugged and most of all.. there is NONE who can fix it. And these idiots from Ubi don't give a frak about me, their legit customer (

My simphaty and compassion for those who can't play the game because they don have a stable internet connection. But my compassion is because you guys don't have access to the internet in the 21 century, that's really sad.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Magnum

don't give a frak about me, their legit customer (

That I can sympathize with. Been burned a few times, even found that one of my favorite titles was completely unsupported after some legalities took the game away from the devs (gold master, source code, everything). The publisher locked everything down and didn't even bother to put up a forum -- no ties to their customer base whatsoever. Needless to say, that game had died long before I ever found it on the store shelf. Quite obvious that the dev team was very much put out by the whole ordeal, too.

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Magnum

But it bothers me that is very bugged and most of all.. there is NO ONE who can fix it.

There are people who can fix the game in this community however, they can't legally. You see, the tool that created the SH5 files is available and usable, but without being a license holder you'd see yourself in court before you could scratch your butt, if you ever released a fix/altered file.

Which is another gripe of mine. The statement that "SH5 is the most moddable in the series" is laughable to say the least.