Arizona's Law

[Freiwillige]

Foreigners who enter the country illegally, or under false pretenses, may be imprisoned.

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined, or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "With a signature that is false or different from one he normally uses" Are subject to fines and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the laws shall be fined, deported and/or imprisoned as felons

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished (Article 117) Foreigners who are deported from this country and try to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for ten years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to 6 years in prison (Articles 119, 120, 121) Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in this country-such as working without a permit-can also be imprisoned.

A penalty of up to two years in prison and a three hundred to five thousand dollar will be imposed on any foreigner who enters this country illegally. (Article 123)

A citizen of this country who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in this country is subject to five years in prison (Article 127)


Except this is not Arizona's law, It is Mexico's!

Could you imagine the barbarism we would be accused of if these were our laws?

[mookiemookie]

Using a craphole country like Mexico's immigration laws as a moral yardstick for our own doesn't say much.

[GoldenRivet]

frankly, i think the United States should adopt most of those laws.

Anyone who cannot recognize the economic drain these illegals represent is BLIND

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Using a craphole country like Mexico's immigration laws as a moral yardstick for our own doesn't say much.

But you want those that elected the people that made those "craphole" laws to become an important voting block in the US?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

There seems to be so much discussion about this law that perhaps it's time to merge all the threads.

[Noren]

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

Could you imagine the barbarism we would be accused of if these were our laws?

Would you like to run through the federal laws of the United States and show how different they are to mexicos, actually you may well find that some of America penalties for those offences are higher than the "barbarism" you describe, for example even a simple visa fraud which Mexico barbarously gives 6 years for merits 10 years in America for the basic crime stretching out to 25 yars for more serious cases.

You might have a point with fake marriages though, lots of countries have jail terms similar to Mexicos, but America only has fines, six months prison then deportation.

So the only deduction possible is that when you wrote about imagine the outcry if these were American laws you were just demonstrating that you don't know much about American laws at all.
Come to think of it didn't you claim recently that the treaty of Hidalgo expelled all Mexicans from the territory america gained

frankly, i think the United States should adopt most of those laws.

don't you mean that America should spend more money and effort in enforcing those very same laws it already has.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by Noren

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

Myth. Illegal labor drives wages down across the board. The great lie that Americans do not want to work these tedious jobs is just that...A lie. When the wages are driven into the dirt by surplus cheap labor well then of course nobody in their right mind is going to want to work for 4 dollars an hour when minimum wage is almost double that! But their are legal immigrants who would work those jobs as well as born Americans that would work those jobs for minimum wage. Its all greed that fuels these company's that want to pay half under the table than what is deserved plus they don't have to worry about paying overtime or medical (Tax payers do that) Etc.

So its a two way street since these company's exploit the cheap labor yet the cheap labor has little option but to be exploited.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Noren

On a slightly positive note: all those mexicans, are they not doing tedious labour that most americans shun at, while providing for themselves and at the same time keeping production costs way low?

No, they do not do tedious labor. They do any job far below minimum wage. What production? These folks are usually in the service industries. The employers need to be addressed. Some have been addressed and usually there is outrage. So who really is to blame? The fence? The employers? The local people who hire them below minimum wage to handle the yard work? The laws that are never enforced? All of it needs to be blamed. But, using the thought that the illegals do the jobs American would not is nothing but a cop out. There are plenty of Americans that cut grass, wait tables and clean pools.