Thanks for al the fish!

[pythos]

Okay, here we go.

These are the rules concerning this as by Neal himself

"Just to be on the safe side, here's a reminder that Subsim does not allow discussion of stealing games (or borrowing, sampling, however one wishes to rationalize it).

This also means don't discuss cracks, on legal games or not, because there's no way to determine who is using a crack on a legal game or a pirated game. And please, for the love of god, don't jump up and announce to the world you are angry about the DRM and you plan to pirated SH5. This equals ban here.

This is spelled out in the user agreement to everyone when they join the forum and the rules are clear.

No one cares what you do in your home, or how you measure yourself ethically, but no, you cannot discuss it here."


Now, don't bother clicking on the underlined statement because it leads to an error message.

Now, looking at what Neal has said, I want you to point to me where it says discussion of the EFFECTS OF a crack is prohibited. The Cnet article was about the EFFECT not the crack itself.

As I have said, this is equal to a news agency covering the effects of a break in. Not going into full detail or giving how to instructions of the break in.

Ubisoft's DRM is a very controversial matter as seen by how people have behaved on this normally civil forum.

It is not helped by people ripping into each other, or calling one another names.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by pythos

Now, looking at what Neal has said, I want you to point to me where it says discussion of the EFFECTS OF a crack is prohibited. The Cnet article was about the EFFECT not the crack itself.

To reiterate:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You may not like the rule. You may disagree with the rule. You may have a great argument against the rule. But none of that matters, as it's Neal's rule. If you have an issue with it, take it up with him. Don't publicly call out moderators for enforcing the rules of the site. That alone would be enough to earn you a ban in many internet forums.

You don't go making threads publicly calling out a moderator's decision on a subject that's very touchy. If you truly had an issue with a decision that you thought was legitimate, you send a PM. You don't buck the system in front of God and everybody in a thread that's nothing but an attention grab, as kylania pointed out. That's rude and disrespectful of the moderators who put up with too much crap in this forum as it is.

[jdkbph]

Originally Posted by pythos

Now, looking at what Neal has said, I want you to point to me where it says discussion of the EFFECTS OF a crack is prohibited. The Cnet article was about the EFFECT not the crack itself.

As I have said, this is equal to a news agency covering the effects of a break in. Not going into full detail or giving how to instructions of the break in.

Ubisoft's DRM is a very controversial matter as seen by how people have behaved on this normally civil forum.

Yep. Agreed. Everything is subject to interpretation, but in reading what Uber Gruber wrote I can see no interpretation which would violate what I perceive to be the spirit of this rule. If I am mistaken, then obviously so too are many others here, and perhaps the rule should be further clarified and explained?

(note to those with opposing viewpoints: please don't just continue quoting it... if there is a significant difference of opinion regarding the application of said rule - in this case - there is obviously room for clarification)

What I did see was a member challenging a moderator on a questionable call. Is there a rule against that? If so, it was definitely violated.

With regard to Uber Gruber's treatment... that can easily be perceived as an inappropriate response from the moderator in question. Neal's response did surprise me a bit... at first. But on second thought, the credibility (and effectiveness) of a moderator with no skins on the wall depends on authority. What I saw was the board owner protecting his moderator... all other things being equal. Totally understandable I think.

JD