Thank you all for the great mods but...

[speedbird]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

Whats the differences between SH3 and SH5? Anything a real sub sim fan would consider not buying the game for? Would love to see your point form reasons, so I could comment on each.

If I never played SH3 or SH5 and was shown both, I would say SH3 looks like crap and pickup SH5, but would surely like to know the reasons not to buy the game.

If yow want a sim SH3 (+GWX).

If you like arcade games SH5.

[Ducimus]

Give the game a couple years. The level of polish on SH3 took a number of years too. These things (supermods) do not sprout up over night or in the period of a few months.

One thing I'm getting tired of seeing?
Is 'GWX this or that'

As Ducimus said.
It took years to do the Super Mods for SH3.
Even for Sh4 it took more then a month +.

And the 'GWX this or that' stuff?
Let us rest in Peace PLEASE!

I've seen this slapped in the face of the Dev's
so often that I cringe when I see things like this.

[speedbird]

Originally Posted by privateer

One thing I'm getting tired of seeing?
Is 'GWX this or that'

As Ducimus said.
It took years to do the Super Mods for SH3.
Even for Sh4 it took more then a month +.

And the 'GWX this or that' stuff?
Let us rest in Peace PLEASE!

I've seen this slapped in the face of the Dev's
so often that I cringe when I see things like this.

With all respect, when I bought SH3 I played it for months, before I installed a single mod. That was five odd years back.

Now when I buy a game or any kind of software I expect to get my moneys worth for at least a couple of months before:

A: Having to rely on modders to fix the Devs "errors".

B: Having to wait for a patch that is gonna make it all good... not.

Remember when whe used to buy a game on a floppy disk and we played for years without a single mod or patch?

I'm a bit baffled why you quoted me?

[Moeceefus]

"Remember when whe used to buy a game on a floppy disk and we played for years without a single mod or patch?"


cars of yester year were more reliable and easier to fix than todays. why? less parts and less configs, there was just less that could go wrong.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

"Remember when whe used to buy a game on a floppy disk

i remember that

[Athlonic]

Originally Posted by speedbird

With all respect, when I bought SH3 I played it for months, before I installed a single mod. That was five odd years back.

Now when I buy a game or any kind of software I expect to get my moneys worth for at least a couple of months before:

A: Having to rely on modders to fix the Devs "errors".

B: Having to wait for a patch that is gonna make it all good... not.

Remember when whe used to buy a game on a floppy disk and we played for years without a single mod or patch?

Saying this and saying you love SH3 doesn't fit together !

SH3 was UNplaylable out of the box because of essentially CTD or savegames problems with no workaround till officials patchs (and so went SH4 too) whereas SH5 not.
Even now and even with GWX SH3 is still full of bugs (stock games bugs) have a look at pages 13 from 20 (ouch 8 pages) of the GWX manual to see what I am talking about.

I agree with you on one point though, PATCHS.

Patchs should exist to fix undiscovered issue before the release of a game, and NOT to finish the product later.
But so it is and we have to live with it...

I have to agree, I couldn't play SH3 for ages until a patch was released. And didn't bother with SH4 for a very long time due to game breaker bugs. SH5 actually feels possibly more playable out-of-the-box than the previous two releases IMHO.

As with realism and the campaign. Firstly, the game does have some realism problems (AI grounding themselves...for one!) however I find the actual experience of being in the Uboot (Modded game) to feel quite real. My only fustration comes from the crew. For example, last night after attacking a particularly tasty convoy I was attacked by 4 Destroyers. The DCing lasted for over 3 hours and was only able to escape by exceeding test depth and crawling away. I was tense, my crew, however, didn't appear to notice that anything at-all had just happened, perhaps they're all deaf and blind!

Secondly, the campaign. Whilst entertaining at times, it's obviously designed for those people who need to be told exactly where to go, who to shoot, and when to go to the toilet! Its a little annoying since as far as I'm aware, real Uboot Commanders orders we something like 'Patrol grid AM31 for x days and await orders" The boat would go out to its designated patrol grid (usually with other uboots stationed relatively near by) and sink targets of opportunity if encountered, or wait until a convoy was reported and given orders from Dönitz to proceed and join the hunt! The entire grand plan of Dönitz was not to attack specific battle ships or carriers, often heavily guarded. But to attack and sink merchant shipping and bring Britain down to it's knees! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of Dönitz ever ordering uboots to search out and attack any single warship!

Still, its funny to imagine the conversation between the commander and Dönitz after the mission if this type of campaign was accurate;

Dönitz: So, you fail me again!
Commander: But Sir! I sank over 48000 tons or mercheant shipping!
Dönitz: HA! Care not I do! they were all ships carrying small arms from America, you were ordered to sink ships carrying shells from Canada! To ze dungeons for you!

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Give the game a couple years. The level of polish on SH3 took a number of years too. These things (supermods) do not sprout up over night or in the period of a few months.

Eventhough I am one of the most vocal here on the sorry state this sim was released in....I will also defend the talent of our Modders here. If you would have asked if SH3 could be modded to a true and challenging SIM 6 months after release, you would have got a lot of NOs back then.... then RuB and GWX came out...

Give our modders time...they WILL surprise you.

[scrapser]

Not sure if this is off topic but my main complaint about SH5 is that it does not meet my basic wishlist which I have held to since SH3 first appeared. Essentially all I want is SH1 upgraded to current technology in terms of sound and graphics with the added detail current technology makes possible. SH4 was supposed to be that fulfillment and is close. My main complaint about SH4 is the same with all Ubisoft releases...non of them work without major mods to fix everything that was left half-baked, incorrect, or missing. Why these things keep happening is not the issue. The point is they DO keep happening in spite of the fact that each release is built off the previous release of code. I'm just plain sick of it. To me SH5 is just another round of the same old, same old with new pretty graphics, a boat to run around on, and the new DRM crap. I'm not buying into this BS anymore.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by speedbird

If yow want a sim SH3 (+GWX).

If you like arcade games SH5.

We all know that already. But comparing SH5, that just came out, with SH3+GWX is not really fair.
Give SH5 a couple of years, patience young grasshopper.

[Westbroek]

I'm doing it...throwing my 2 cents in again!
I played SH3 for years, GWX with it for years. Loved it.
I'm playing SH5 and love it too.
To be fair, sometimes playing SH5 I think, "man, too bad so-and-so from SH3 isn't implemented." But it doesn't keep me from having fun.
I go back and play SH3 and I find myself thinking, "Man, too bad so-and-so from SH5 isn't in this!"
What can we learn from this? They're both enjoyable sub oriented games. (Sims/Games/whatever)
In time, SH5 will continue to improve because of the very people that share thoughts here, just as SH3 did. This makes me smile broadly. Continue showing patience and SH5 will be one hellodolly of a subsim. I have no doubt of that, because it's already very good in just a month or two.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Westbroek

(Sims/Games/whatever)

Action Sim!*
*patent pending

[Westbroek]

Originally Posted by IanC

Action Sim!*
*patent pending

I LIKE IT!!!