VIIb or VIIc?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reinhard Dietz

Can I get an answer for the stock campaign regarding the performance of the VIIB versus the VIIC? Data for these two per reality or GWX doesn't help me at the moment.

Much thanks.

There is little too differentiate the two other than the 3 seconds or so extra time to dive in the VIIC and the maximum depth (with SH3 commander this is irrelevant) and the xtra upgrades for the VIIC.

[Reinhard Dietz]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

There is little too differentiate the two other than the 3 seconds or so extra time to dive in the VIIC and the maximum depth (with SH3 commander this is irrelevant) and the xtra upgrades for the VIIC.

Three seconds' dive time would have been useful in my last patrol. When you say that SH3C makes the max depth irrelevant, why's that?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reinhard Dietz

Three seconds' dive time would have been useful in my last patrol. When you say that SH3C makes the max depth irrelevant, why's that?

Your able to set Commander to randomise U-boat crush depth.

[Reinhard Dietz]

Ah, that. Yeah, I stay away from that option. I want my boats performing to factory specs and beyond.

You've helped me make my decision---those three seconds will help when the commander makes mistakes or gets overly aggressive. 'preciate it!

[Convycmg]

1st post, and it was this one that pursuaded me to register as I'm now at the stage in my own career where I can now opt for a VIII/c.

So far the only substancial upgrade I've made to my VIII/b after starting the war with 7th Flotilla is to add a double-barrel flak gun (twice the fun in those last moments before you get bombed), but besides the flak armament, is there a way of finding out which other upgrades (such as sonar-proof coating, radar signal detector, schnorkel, etc) are available for the VIII/c but are for the other?

Many thanks!

[pickinthebanjo]

Originally Posted by Convycmg

1st post, and it was this one that pursuaded me to register as I'm now at the stage in my own career where I can now opt for a VIII/c.

So far the only substancial upgrade I've made to my VIII/b after starting the war with 7th Flotilla is to add a double-barrel flak gun (twice the fun in those last moments before you get bombed), but besides the flak armament, is there a way of finding out which other upgrades (such as sonar-proof coating, radar signal detector, schnorkel, etc) are available for the VIII/c but are for the other?

Many thanks!

yeah there are afew. The easiest (as it's in the game) is when your in base. Go to where you upgrade your boat, and in the bottom left corner of the screen you should see a question mark(I think) that should be it.

another is to google SH3 tech tree, I look it up all the time (can't ever remember the names of those torpedoes)

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by pickinthebanjo

yeah there are afew. The easiest (as it's in the game) is when your in base. Go to where you upgrade your boat, and in the bottom left corner of the screen you should see a question mark(I think) that should be it.

another is to google SH3 tech tree, I look it up all the time (can't ever remember the names of those torpedoes)

I believe Carnovaro's Document Collection contains a copy of that tech tree you mention. You can find it in the Downloads section: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1487.

The tech tree is located in the Carnovaro's Document Collection\Chapter 1 - Sheets\Upgrades Chart\ directory.

Originally Posted by Convycmg

(twice the fun in those last moments before you get bombed)

Welcome aboard Subsim, Convycmg!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Convycmg

1st post, and it was this one that pursuaded me to register as I'm now at the stage in my own career where I can now opt for a VIII/c.

So far the only substancial upgrade I've made to my VIII/b after starting the war with 7th Flotilla is to add a double-barrel flak gun (twice the fun in those last moments before you get bombed), but besides the flak armament, is there a way of finding out which other upgrades (such as sonar-proof coating, radar signal detector, schnorkel, etc) are available for the VIII/c but are for the other?

Many thanks!

Welcome aboard

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Reinhard Dietz

Ah, that. Yeah, I stay away from that option. I want my boats performing to factory specs and beyond.

Ideally me too,I only enable random crush depth to simulate the possibility of manufacturing errors,which probably would be very rare,at least during the first half of the conflict,later on manufacturing speed was more important than quality.
Who in their right mind would even question German quality and efficiency anyway?

[Iranon]

Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Who in their right mind would even question German quality and efficiency anyway?

During WW2? Many people. 'Awesome design, shoddy build quality' tended to be the norm. To make things worse, the 'awesome' often got in the way of efficiency.

The type XXI is a good example of this. While the design was considerably ahead of its time, too many concessions had be made to make it mass-producable in inland facilities hopefully out of reach of allied bombers. The modular build process proved to be beyond the ability of companies who had nothing to do with ships before.

In the end, over 100 were built and they never sank anything because only a handful were combat-worthy by the end of the war. Considering more conventional production could have seen them in action from 1943 on, this is a lot of wasted potential.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Iranon

During WW2? Many people. 'Awesome design, shoddy build quality' tended to be the norm. To make things worse, the 'awesome' often got in the way of efficiency.

The type XXI is a good example of this. While the design was considerably ahead of its time, too many concessions had be made to make it mass-producable in inland facilities hopefully out of reach of allied bombers. The modular build process proved to be beyond the ability of companies who had nothing to do with ships before.

In the end, over 100 were built and they never sank anything because only a handful were combat-worthy by the end of the war. Considering more conventional production could have seen them in action from 1943 on, this is a lot of wasted potential.

You are 100% right,fantastic staggering designs,crippled by a war they were slowly losing and the onset of running out of time.The same can be said for other revolutionary 'wonder weapons' the Germans were designing,like supersonic orbital bombers.I saw a documentary once about these weapons and I was blown away,and all of this was concieved in the 40s too...remarkable!