The conning towers are wrong?

oscar19681 · 03-23-10, 08:15 AM

It is me who is hammering on the fact the VIIB has the wrong conning tower. I havent seen any evidence supporting the fact that the 2nd VIIB conning tower is correct and i would love to see some screenshots of it. Anyway i have been asking on the mod forum for somebody to fix this but noone had ventured out there yet to give it a go. I got a PM from Dan of the dev team saying that after the first patch it should be easy to fix (i guess this was ment as a hint for the modders to do the job) . But if there really is a 2nd VIIB that is indeed correct (i have yet to find it in museum or game files) then how hard can it be to fix the 1st one?

oscar19681 · 03-23-10, 10:38 AM

In the goblin editor i did find what i would call a modified VIIC tower to look somewhat like a VIIB tower. But still its not as good as the one they did for sh-3. And you can only get this tower if you upgrade it. I dare to say this is somewhat of a sloppy job by the devs.

Florent · 03-25-10, 12:07 PM

All the conning towers for B model in the game are OK for now.
The first can be seen when you select the Narvik mission and VII B, you will get an early tower like Prien's U47 at the time of Scapa Flow and perhaps until july 40.
If you select the Bismark mission you will get a late tower.
What is not known is if the second or intermediary tower (like silent hunter 3) or cut tower is there. For this we have to wait for the patch and see if we can have this cut tower during improvements.
The photos showing some of the last pictures of U-47 in february 41 show this new "cut" tower.
As i said above, the Narvik mission shows a correct tower with a small basket or bath behind like A but has wind deflector in the middle of the tower.
I hope to have this early type B soon with the patch.

TH0R · 03-25-10, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Florent

All the conning towers for B model in the game are OK for now.
The first can be seen when you select the Narvik mission and VII B, you will get an early tower like Prien's U47 at the time of Scapa Flow and perhaps until july 40.
If you select the Bismark mission you will get a late tower.
What is not known is if the second or intermediary tower (like silent hunter 3) or cut tower is there. For this we have to wait for the patch and see if we can have this cut tower during improvements.
The photos showing some of the last pictures of U-47 in february 41 show this new "cut" tower.
As i said above, the Narvik mission shows a correct tower with a small basket or bath behind like A but has wind deflector in the middle of the tower.
I hope to have this early type B soon with the patch.

I was thinking on the same lines. Can you provide some photos / data that different type B boats weren't equipped with only one of the three conning towers through their whole life span?

About Prien's VIIB, I am inclined to believe it as I too have seen photos that have the same CT as VIIA, but I haven't seen one with SH3 CT. Or I might but I can't remember now.

It would be nice if someone could provide some screens...

Nordmann · 03-25-10, 12:36 PM

I can only assume, that whoever worked on the towers in SH3, did not work on the towers in SH5. But honestly, pick up a book, or look online, there is enough info available to get these sort of details correct first time.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I guess it doesn't matter as the game skips the VIIB and takes you straight from the VIIA to a VIIC. We never see the VIIB at all.

I was under the impression that the VIIB was playable, is it not?

SabreHawk · 03-25-10, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

I can only assume, that whoever worked on the towers in SH3, did not work on the towers in SH5. But honestly, pick up a book, or look online, there is enough info available to get these sort of details correct first time.

Of course the same folks who did the subs in SH3 didnt do them for SH5. They totally had things in SH3 wrong, that being the OBS periscope down in the control rm. They had it where the attack periscope's machinery should have been.
At least this has been done right in SH5.

But there is one thing wrong that has been carried over from SH3, and it is that flag pole on the bow.

Somebody bring me up a cutting torch will ya?

mookiemookie · 03-25-10, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

I was under the impression that the VIIB was playable, is it not?

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think anyone's been assigned a VIIB sub. The game starts you with a VIIA and then offers you a VIIC as an upgrade. There was some talk of correcting this via modding here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165463

Nordmann · 03-25-10, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think anyone's been assigned a VIIB sub. The game starts you with a VIIA and then offers you a VIIC as an upgrade. There was some talk of correcting this via modding here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165463

That's a little strange, skipping from A to C. At least there appears to be some work to correct it.

03-23-10, 08:15 AM	#1
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	It is me who is hammering on the fact the VIIB has the wrong conning tower. I havent seen any evidence supporting the fact that the 2nd VIIB conning tower is correct and i would love to see some screenshots of it. Anyway i have been asking on the mod forum for somebody to fix this but noone had ventured out there yet to give it a go. I got a PM from Dan of the dev team saying that after the first patch it should be easy to fix (i guess this was ment as a hint for the modders to do the job) . But if there really is a 2nd VIIB that is indeed correct (i have yet to find it in museum or game files) then how hard can it be to fix the 1st one? __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

03-23-10, 10:38 AM	#2
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	In the goblin editor i did find what i would call a modified VIIC tower to look somewhat like a VIIB tower. But still its not as good as the one they did for sh-3. And you can only get this tower if you upgrade it. I dare to say this is somewhat of a sloppy job by the devs. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

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03-25-10, 12:07 PM	#3
Florent Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 27 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All the conning towers for B model in the game are OK for now. The first can be seen when you select the Narvik mission and VII B, you will get an early tower like Prien's U47 at the time of Scapa Flow and perhaps until july 40. If you select the Bismark mission you will get a late tower. What is not known is if the second or intermediary tower (like silent hunter 3) or cut tower is there. For this we have to wait for the patch and see if we can have this cut tower during improvements. The photos showing some of the last pictures of U-47 in february 41 show this new "cut" tower. As i said above, the Narvik mission shows a correct tower with a small basket or bath behind like A but has wind deflector in the middle of the tower. I hope to have this early type B soon with the patch.