Silent hunter 5 is terrible! (merged)

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by Kar

Wait some time until modders will do their job

That's the problem

Most of the things the OP said were already present in SH3/4

Why modders should waste their time fixing deliberate design flaws?

Their time is better spent expanding games with a better base (ie SH4+UB addon) instead of doing what the developer were supposed to and that customers already paid.

What has SH5 really to offer? Better graphics? Yeah, marginally better than SH4 yet terribly more demanding in terms of hardware requirements. Full sub interiors? Puh-lease... that's to keep entertained kids; the novelty wears off pretty soon ad they're of no consequence to the "simulation" aspect.

Let this software die... SH5 already caused the death of GWX for SH4 which would have been a much better product than SH5 will ever hope to be.

[codmander]

Another.... sh5 great post...glad I saved my moneynew things abound sh3

[mookiemookie]

[piri_reis]

Same old, same old.
Mods forum is always a better way to spend time then in here.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by msxyz

That's the problem

Most of the things the OP said were already present in SH3/4

Why modders should waste their time fixing deliberate design flaws?

Their time is better spent expanding games with a better base (ie SH4+UB addon) instead of doing what the developer were supposed to and that customers already paid.

What has SH5 really to offer? Better graphics? Yeah, marginally better than SH4 yet terribly more demanding in terms of hardware requirements. Full sub interiors? Puh-lease... that's to keep entertained kids; the novelty wears off pretty soon ad they're of no consequence to the "simulation" aspect.

Let this software die... SH5 already caused the death of GWX for SH4 which would have been a much better product than SH5 will ever hope to be.

Exactly. Modders should not be expected to fix a product that people pay a premium for. Moreover the devs know about this community and could easily use it for real QA but elect not to in the name of profit margins. Then to add insult to injury they lock it down with DRM.

The industry needs to change! Software is the only industry where you can willingly and knowing sell half finished products and get away with it. People need to stand up for their right and stop being sheeple. The more companies do it and the more they get away with it the more incentive they have to continue doing so.

That is why I stopped modding games. I got sick of dealing with crap trying to fix things and then have the devs try over and over again to lock things down even when broken. It makes me sick...

[daemonofdecay]

Originally Posted by Spartan

Exactly. Modders should not be expected to fix a product that people pay a premium for. Moreover the devs know about this community and could easily use it for real QA but elect not to in the name of profit margins. Then to add insult to injury they lock it down with DRM.

I agree very much with the spirit of those who refuse to by the game on moral grounds concerning the DRM. It is an insult to those who do purchase the game legitimately, and will only hurt their sales figures.

However I did purchase the game myself and have had no problems what-so-ever with it. I know some have, but in my personal experience it is (by itself) nothing that would prevent me from purchasing the game. And while the product does have its share of bugs (or maybe more than its share), I haven't found any of them that are game breaking on my end.

I think alot of the furor over the game will die down in the coming weeks. It's understandable why people are upset: we all have a passion for submarine games and with SH being the biggest gorilla on the block, it is only human to hope for it to reach our most basic expectations. We all have a common love, and we don't like to see it treated with anything but respect.

That being said, I am probably one of the few people who is perfectly fine purchasing a game knowing its the modders that will make it great. I love Paradox Interactive's games, but I know full well that the modders will take their good products and make them excellent. Of course PI, unlike Ubisoft, is very committed to fan-feedback and will release many, many patches to support their products. Not to mention the SH5 modders have a longer ways to go with this release.

But all in all I am perfectly satisfied with my SH5 purchase. I have been enjoying it for the past few days without any hangups, and the only CTD or other major event that disrupted my playing was due to my own computer and not the servers. So its not a perfect game, and it should have been released later to polish some of the bugs, and the DRM is an affront to gamers, but this game is not broken nor "bad".

It's like a dented Shelby Cobra that has flat tires and a cracked windshield. The potential is there, but it is going to take alot of work and dedication to really get there.

Anyway, thats my $0.02.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by daemonofdecay

I agree very much with the spirit of those who refuse to by the game on moral grounds concerning the DRM. It is an insult to those who do purchase the game legitimately, and will only hurt their sales figures.

However I did purchase the game myself and have had no problems what-so-ever with it. I know some have, but in my personal experience it is (by itself) nothing that would prevent me from purchasing the game. And while the product does have its share of bugs (or maybe more than its share), I haven't found any of them that are game breaking on my end.

I think alot of the furor over the game will die down in the coming weeks. It's understandable why people are upset: we all have a passion for submarine games and with SH being the biggest gorilla on the block, it is only human to hope for it to reach our most basic expectations. We all have a common love, and we don't like to see it treated with anything but respect.

That being said, I am probably one of the few people who is perfectly fine purchasing a game knowing its the modders that will make it great. I love Paradox Interactive's games, but I know full well that the modders will take their good products and make them excellent. Of course PI, unlike Ubisoft, is very committed to fan-feedback and will release many, many patches to support their products. Not to mention the SH5 modders have a longer ways to go with this release.

But all in all I am perfectly satisfied with my SH5 purchase. I have been enjoying it for the past few days without any hangups, and the only CTD or other major event that disrupted my playing was due to my own computer and not the servers. So its not a perfect game, and it should have been released later to polish some of the bugs, and the DRM is an affront to gamers, but this game is not broken nor "bad".

It's like a dented Shelby Cobra that has flat tires and a cracked windshield. The potential is there, but it is going to take alot of work and dedication to really get there.

Anyway, thats my $0.02.

You know, I could force myself to see past the DRM (I would simply remove it) and purchase the title but I wont. Simply because Ubi keeps releasing the product half baked. We are talking three iterations now and two from the same dev studio (I believe) with the same core issues dare I say failing.

On a side note, PI and SD are my two favorite dev houses. Shoot I been an "in-house" tester for them for years now. So my opinion might be somewhat biased.

[daemonofdecay]

Originally Posted by Spartan

You know, I could force myself to see past the DRM (I would simply remove it) and purchase the title but I wont. Simply because Ubi keeps releasing the product half baked. We are talking three iterations now and two from the same dev studio (I believe) with the same core issues dare I say failing.

On a side note, PI and SD are my two favorite dev houses. Shoot I been an "in-house" tester for them for years now. So my opinion might be somewhat biased.

Again, I understand the sentiment. But to be honest, I usually just look at is as a case of denying myself the fun of the game (with mods, of course) to prove a point, or actually enjoying the game (with faults aplenty) and just counting on the talented modders to fix some of the worst problems.

And one of the reasons I have really loved PI in recent years is that their licensing decision for their games means that groups that started out as modders can now actually make a profit from their work by selling full blown games based off of Paradox's own game engines. So finally modders are getting some financial reward for their labors.

[Safe-Keeper]

Don't blame the poster, blame the game.... It deserves many posts about how bad certain aspects are.

But:

Originally Posted by "Read Before Posting" thread

1. Forum search is your friend: You may have a question. It may be a legitimate question. It may be a brilliant question. Still, it may have been answered already. There will be a lot of people reading this board, and it is likely that your question has been answered by now [eg the English/German movie controversy]. All we ask is that you search before asking, as repeated questions will only clog an already clogged forum.

3. The Devs are on your side: Criticism is a natural part of the game-making process. Just try not to go overboard in your criticism. Many of us know the members of the Dev team, so abuse will not be tolerated.

No one's saying we shouldn't be allowed to say what we want about the game. What I object to is the spamming of threads about the subject when there already is a sticky "SH5 player review" thread for people to use. It doesn't matter if the subject is wolf packs, potatoes, how much you hate the game or the price of tea in China (although the negative attitude of the spammers certainly isn't helping matters) -- it's impolite and juvenile to make a thousand threads on the same subject when one will do just fine.

For crying out loud, there's a big thread called "SH5 is terrible" -- what's wrong with just posting there?

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by daemonofdecay

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And one of the reasons I have really loved PI in recent years is that their licensing decision for their games means that groups that started out as modders can now actually make a profit from their work by selling full blown games based off of Paradox's own game engines. So finally modders are getting some financial reward for their labors.

Word.

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