How's the hold out crowd holding up?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by thruster

this is tragic.
never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

If you've already purchased the game, Ubi doesn't care how you feel about it. They have your money, and that's all they wanted. Trust me, you can hate their guts as long as you keep giving them money; they'll be quite fine with that relationship.

The point that most concerns me personally has already been made on Ubi's forums, multiple times, and I've never seen them bother to reply to the whole, "Well, if I'm in Afghanistan, I can't possibly play the game." They have no solution, and they don't care.

If their sales are strong on games that ship with this anti-consumer DRM system, that's all that matters. Keep in mind, there are still guys somewhere in that company who think this whole thing is a fantastic idea. People complaining about it aren't going to change their minds. Industry sites covering it negatively aren't going to change their minds. Only noticeable sales drop-offs would do that.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Cavell

If you've already purchased the game, Ubi doesn't care how you feel about it. They have your money, and that's all they wanted. Trust me, you can hate their guts as long as you keep giving them money; they'll be quite fine with that relationship.

The point that most concerns me personally has already been made on Ubi's forums, multiple times, and I've never seen them bother to reply to the whole, "Well, if I'm in Afghanistan, I can't possibly play the game." They have no solution, and they don't care.

If their sales are strong on games that ship with this anti-consumer DRM system, that's all that matters. Keep in mind, there are still guys somewhere in that company who think this whole thing is a fantastic idea. People complaining about it aren't going to change their minds. Industry sites covering it negatively aren't going to change their minds. Only noticeable sales drop-offs would do that.

Ok fine- could you keep the anti DRM stuff to one thread then?

Makes it easier for me to ignore it ta

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Ok fine- could you keep the anti DRM stuff to one thread then?

Makes it easier for me to ignore it ta

I haven't started any anti-DRM threads, and I couldn't possibly make promises for other people.

[Rockin Robbins]

Robbo you already told UBI what you think about the DRM. Your money said, "UBI's DRM system is the greatest thing since 2 ply toilet paper. Make more and more games with even more insulting and invasive DRM. I don't expect to have the same rights as an owner of your copyrighted materials that I have with a book, DVD, music CD or any other similar matter, and I'm happy with that. I don't care that service people in Afganistan can't use a game supposedly dedicated to the people who serve their country. Only my own immediate gratification matters and actually anyone who cares about anything else, I will just ignore them and post in Subsim about how unreasonable they are." (That's funny, my money only says "Goodbye.")

Anything you say against DRM in the Ubi forum will be ignored, as you have already voted. You can't vote twice, and a non-monetary vote counts for nothing. Money is the only vote that counts. Sending them money votes for the DRM. Withholding the money votes against. End of story.

I pointedly jingle my money in their general direction and wait for them to fix their disgraceful problem.

[thruster]

nobody can force you to buy a game, i would never even try. also, nobody is trying to condone a crap product.

there will always be flying games, car driving games, mindless gun blasters etc etc, but if the only subsim doesnt sell then there probably will not be another one. not trying to use emotional blackmail, just a very sad fact. for me, my current job/lifestyle currently makes me unable to play it yet, but i'll still buy it.

i will ultimately just be grateful to have the opportunity to play an upgraded version of SH3 which is what SH5 is. if it was not modable then it would be still-born, but it is modable, so there is life and potential in it yet.

i want to have a uboat sim, its a niche market, i do not expect a 'tailored solution in an off the rack world'.

Holding off on buying SH 5. Have entered "observation mode". Neals review gave enough water on my mill in regards to other flaws then the DRM.....

[Rockin Robbins]

Not a problem. SH4 rocks! I can wait for years for Ubi to straighten this one out, and if they don't, too bad.

I have a mild curiosity about what's in SH5 but nothing that would bother me if I never bought Silent Hunter 5. The only one to hurt would be Ubi.

By the way, we need to keep the anti-DRM thing going in as many threads as possible. The goal is to make it impossible for our message to be buried by other stuff so UBI can't get away from the reason their game is a failure. Especially if SH5 is improved and continues not to sell, UBI needs to know how simple it is to fix. Get rid of the DRM. I'm not paying to be treated like a criminal. None of us should have to.

Hey robbo, have you read my stuff on Ubi forum? I'm really a mild mannered guy here compared to in the lair of the Monster.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays.

could'nt agree more...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

Have you been reading the UBI forums? If not, how do you know who is or is not posting in similar threads there? The fact is, several people here stated they wouldn't buy it. Some of those changed their minds and bought it anyway. I have no problem with that. Now the OP of this thread asked how we were holding out, I assume meaning were we still not buying it? A perfectly legitimate question, asked (in my case, anyway) of a dedicated subsimmer, and I answered it. Why is that a problem for those whom UBI will allow to play it?

For your information, I sent an e-mail directly to UBI and signed all the petitions. I have started no threads, but don't feel any guilt at all about answering these threads and discussing my feelings.

Does that answer your question?

Originally Posted by shawnyp420

I bought it but I'm not playing it cuz this shiz sucks!

Too late. If you gave them your money then you told them it was okay.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Have you been reading the UBI forums? If not, how do you know who is or is not posting in similar threads there? The fact is, several people here stated they wouldn't buy it. Some of those changed their minds and bought it anyway. I have no problem with that. Now the OP of this thread asked how we were holding out, I assume meaning were we still not buying it? A perfectly legitimate question, asked (in my case, anyway) of a dedicated subsimmer, and I answered it. Why is that a problem for those whom UBI will allow to play it?

For your information, I sent an e-mail directly to UBI and signed all the petitions. I have started no threads, but don't feel any guilt at all about answering these threads and discussing my feelings.

Does that answer your question?


Too late. If you gave them your money then you told them it was okay.

Hi Steve,

Yes I do read the UBI forums and if you have a look there you'll see I've posted under my user name. I haven't seen to many of the people in this thread there - but that said , they may be using a different name.

Now to my post.

The one you've quoted here has been re-quoted and thus is out of context. I suggest you go back through the posts - read it in context and then tell me how you feel about it.

To be honest I was bemoaning the negativity in some of these threads combined with the complete lack of knowledge about the game, and yet a seemingly endless supply of "game breaking bugs" quoted by some.

TBH I'm sick to death of the whole "DRM is bad M'kay" "Silent Hunter is crap M'kay" threads, but if they float your boat (see what I did there) Then that is also cool.

In all honesty I belive the whole thing is dying down a bit anyway - I'm far to busy enjoying playing SH5 to worry about it either way

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Hi Steve,

In all honesty I belive the whole thing is dying down a bit anyway - I'm far to busy enjoying playing SH5 to worry about it either way

I'm not sure I'd go that far. A lot of the gaming public may have a short memory when it comes to DRM absurdities like Sony BMG and Starforce, but there'll be plenty of industry folks who won't let a company that once championed Starforce off the hook for requiring users to jump through freshly absurd hoops - direct connections to servers are a two-way street, after all.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Cavell

I'm not sure I'd go that far. A lot of the gaming public may have a short memory when it comes to DRM absurdities like Sony BMG and Starforce, but there'll be plenty of industry folks who won't let a company that once championed Starforce off the hook for requiring users to jump through freshly absurd hoops - direct connections to servers are a two-way street, after all.

Oh - no I meant here in the forums , my bad I should have explained myself better

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

TBH I'm sick to death of the whole "DRM is bad M'kay" "Silent Hunter is crap M'kay" threads, but if they float your boat (see what I did there) Then that is also cool.

Actually I don't blame you for being "sick to death" of it. I said my piece long ago, and actually talked down to some of the folks who kept saying it over and over; so I'm tired of the most extreme comments myself. I guess I'm just used to seeing all these arguments and they don't bother me.

As for the UBI threads, I stopped being a regular there while waiting for SH3 five years ago, but I still go check them out. I suspect that these forums get read by UBI just as much as their own do.

And ass for how I feel, read my post in the 'Polarized' thread.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually I don't blame you for being "sick to death" of it. I said my piece long ago, and actually talked down to some of the folks who kept saying it over and over; so I'm tired of the most extreme comments myself. I guess I'm just used to seeing all these arguments and they don't bother me.

As for the UBI threads, I stopped being a regular there while waiting for SH3 five years ago, but I still go check them out. I suspect that these forums get read by UBI just as much as their own do.

And ass for how I feel, read my post in the 'Polarized' thread.

Just read it matey