EA to implement Ubi style DRM system

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

It worries me, because some of the EA titles are worth buying (think Mass Effect), at least as far as I'm concerned.

Honestly, I'm surprised by this. Given the amount of backlash Ubi have received over their OSP, I would have thought that other developers/publishers would have steered well clear of such a scheme, but obviously they have yet to learn their lesson! They will in time though, you can be sure of that.

What backlash?
So long as thousands of 'Wives" and "Girlfriends" are lovingly buying their husbands and boyfriends copies of SH5 and AC2, why should they care about how many online articles and forum rants against their system there is?

And I guess this news means no Medal of Honour: Afghanistan for Little Old Yak...

The phrase 'Infinite Retardation' from Generation Kill springs to mind WRT this whole issue...

Seriously, you talk about a backlash as if the subsim.com community is a representable portion all submarine gamers.

Common mistake, forums are areas where people complain and act is if they matter because other people just as whiny and pathetic as them are there to give them a good old "Right on mate". Electronic Preaching to the Choir. In reality people will still buy EA and Ubisoft games, i will continue to buy them, and online DRM will likely continue into the future.

Dont like it? Play sh3 and piss off from this forum. There is a perfectly good Sh3 section you can put all your complaints into so we dont need to deal with them. Thanks.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

whiny and pathetic

And there you go again, just posting your opinion. Should people not attack you for it again?

[theluckyone17]

... and back on topic...

DRM won't kill the gaming industry. Even if the major producers stop producing for PC gaming, they won't kill off the industry. I bet a lot of little independent shops will start up and fill in the empty space.

There's open source, too.

Myself, I won't let DRM bother me. I've got enough older games to keep me satisfied for a while. When I grow bored of them, maybe I'll put some time into helping out with Danger from the Deep.

On the other hand, maybe I'll get back into my hobbies... the outdoor ones. The weather's beautiful

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And there you go again, just posting your opinion. Should people not attack you for it again?

Matt may be excessive in his choice of words, but I have seen many posts by anti-DRM zealots that used language just as inflammatory.


There seems to be a double standard here. Posters against DRM can post anything they want and get away with it. Posters with a contrary opinion get attacked personally. Is that the kind of forum we want?

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Matt may be excessive in his choice of words, but I have seen many posts by anti-DRM zealots that used language just as inflammatory.


There seems to be a double standard here. Posters against DRM can post anything they want and get away with it. Posters with a contrary opinion get attacked personally. Is that the kind of forum we want?

As a rabid anti-DRM poster, I'm fine with Matt saying what he thinks. Or anyone for that matter.

I also don't think anyone should be crying when confronted with a different opinion. Stating such a controversial stance with such.. clarity.. ,and demanding no debate in return, is just not how things happen.

[Catfish]

Hello Mr. Dizzy or ...le, or Trenken ?

" ....Seriously, you talk about a backlash as if the subsim.com community is a representable portion all submarine gamers.
..."


You can read much more harsh critics about this kind of DRM on each and every other simulation site, not only submarine-wise .

But when it comes to submarine simulators i guess subsim.com is indeed not only a representable portion, but the statistically significant one.
I know you will not bother to answer as you never did, but guess what i don't bother either. Welcome to my ignore list.

Good luck with your pro-DRM crusade,
Catfish

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

As a rabid anti-DRM poster, I'm fine with Matt saying what he thinks. Or anyone for that matter.

I also don't think anyone should be crying when confronted with a different opinion. Stating such a controversial stance with such.. clarity.. ,and demanding no debate in return, is just not how things happen.

I have no problem with a good debate, that is what makes a forum interesting. This place would be boring if everyone agreed with each other.

What I don't like is when posters start to use personal insults. My rule of thumb as always been that if you can't win an argument with insulting someone, you don't have a very good argument..

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Matt may be excessive in his choice of words, but I have seen many posts by anti-DRM zealots that used language just as inflammatory.

I agree. I don't worry about anti-DRM attacks, just anti-member attacks.

There seems to be a double standard here. Posters against DRM can post anything they want and get away with it. Posters with a contrary opinion get attacked personally. Is that the kind of forum we want?

My only complaint with MattDizzle is the same one as always - he calls people things like "pathetic" and then complains that he is attacked for just taking an opposite viewpoint. A lot of the anti-DRM people do go over the top with their comments, and do attack people, but most of them don't pretend to be "just expressing an opinion."

I don't care either way, as I consider everyone's opinion to be just that. On the other hand I've said these things to Mr. Dizzle before and he has yet to respond to any of my posts.

[Bilge_Rat]

Sailor Steve, I was not addressing my comments at you personally. I should have put my post in the "Rant" thread.


Have a nice weekend everyone, whether anti-, neutral-or pro-DRM and even the minority that actually plays SH5...

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by Yak

What backlash?

This.

Their "backlash" has mostly been in the form of people complaining about the draconian, anti-consumer DRM, yet still going out and buying the game(s). Once they have your money, they couldn't care less about your opinion - unless it affects your future decision to buy their products. Which, they're discovering, it won't. People will just do the same thing all over again - complain about the DRM, yet find themselves unable to resist the lure of the product. And buy the whole, "Yeah, our servers were down, and it was due to rampaging pirates!" schtick.

EA will be a more interesting case study than Ubisoft for this stuff, though. They publish a much broader variety of games on the PC, and if they start seeing sales hits in big-ticket areas - which I doubt they will for the reason stated above - then they might consider yanking it. Ubi can explain away AC2 sales tanking as a fluke, and SH5 as a niche genre that no longer needs to be pursued, if those sales are in fact bad; if EA PC sales went south on series like Command and Conquer, Medal of Honor, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or especially The Sims, you might see them reconsider.

Edit: Frankly, the aspect of this that really dejects me the most is the one that opponents of the anti-consumer DRM mention fairly frequently but that the proponents have no answer for, namely that when I'm in the sandbox, I won't have the required 'net connection to play any of the games that ship with it. They're really screwing a group of folks who don't deserve to be screwed with this crap.