Census done!

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

May I suggest reading US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

Entitled:Questionnaires, Number, Form, and Scope of Inquiries

The Census is governed by more than just the Constitution.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

Yup

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

It's not interesting, in my opinion. It's absolutely indefensible albeit expected.

One person wishes to remain a private citizen. He's confronted with several individuals who believe that said private information should be recorded (and could never be abused and therefore used against you). Yet they rhetorically attack you for the very stance of witholding such information, as though it's somehow counter-productive.

Hell, with people like that in power, its no wonder that you wouldn't want the government to know such details. If those kind of people can come down on you for the simple fact of your maintaining your privacy, imagine what they could do with REAL information about your demographic?

Nice job, libs. Previously I wasn't concerned with releasing such information about my family (as indicated in an earlier post in this thread). Your intellectual masturbations have done nothing more than to compel me to deny the feds such information.

Maybe the individuals of the so-implied "tolerant" political persuasion will someday learn that tolerance includes ideas that they don't agree with. History forces me to doubt that eventuality, but one can still hope...

In any case, does not anyone else see the pattern? Someone who's generally conservative states an opinion about a government function, and those of the opposite viewpoint unite to shoot it down!

Quite frankly, an intellectually honest person would have either thought or said, "I understand, although I disagree." But it requires an intellectual response (rather than an emotional one) to reach that conclusion, so I suppose my expectations are too high.

Resultingly, like I said, I will be withholding certain information, and I hope that other independent thinkers follow suit, as its clear the type of people who want the information the most are the most intolerant of said info.

Again, nicely done, libs. I can only hope that I will someday be able to shut off my brain to such an extent as you have.

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

my reasoning is quite simple.

perhaps if i list it out you will understand it better...

here are the 6 super easy basic points you should understand, please review them

Number 1:

I DO NOT think the government is going to round up my family - or anyone for that matter - based on census data. how many times do i have to repeat this statement in one thread???

Number 2:

The constitution is the "supreme law of the land" in the United States. It specifically gives the U.S. Census the power to "enumerate people".

Number 3:

Of the 10 questions on the form... Only question number one is required. "How many people currently occupy your residence?"

Number 4:

As a United States Citizen, I have the right to choose whether i DO or i DO NOT provide an answer to the remaining nine questions.

Number 5:

I have elected to exercise my right NOT to provide those answers.

Number 6:

My original post made no remarks concerning politics, race, creed, religion or age. Nor did it make any remarks about whether or not i think the census is a good thing or a bad thing. My original post made no remarks or hints as to whether or not i view the census as necessary or unnecessary.

The original post simply stated my actions as

a. filling out the required form

b. mailing the SOB in (SOB is by no means meant to be derogatory... i live in deep East Texas... "son of a bitch" is a phrase that is applied to many things in every day conversation)

c. an off color joke about water boarding (grow a sense of humor... like the government is going to actually force me to provide census answers under duress hahaha )

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FACT: as a result of expressing myself, the peace loving, tolerant left wing members of this forum almost immediately attacked me for my opinions.

i hope this post has helped you to understand my position.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

code of federal regulations (CFR) is NOT a part of the United States constitution.

my reasoning is quite simple.

perhaps if i list it out you will understand it better...

I understand your reasoning fine, it just makes no real sense.

For example

Number 2:

The constitution is the "supreme law of the land" in the United States. It specifically gives the U.S. Census the power to "enumerate people".

wow, what else does it do?
Oh yeah that involves "useless dribble" because some parts of the constitution you claim to love so much does things you don't like.

Number 3:

Of the 10 questions on the form... Only question number one is required. "How many people currently occupy your residence?"

Thats funny, even the first census put together only 2 years after the ratification asked more than that.
Since the people that were the government then and did the set up for the census were the same people who did the constitution it strongly suggests you are reading their intentions wrong.

Number 4:

As a United States Citizen, I have the right to choose whether i DO or i DO NOT provide an answer to the remaining nine questions.

Indeed, which means the government must go to more expense and add more layers of bureaucracy to get the information it needs.
Its one major reason why your reasoning is flawed.
You complain about a sprawling bureaucracy and its intrusiveness and then act to make it even bigger and more intrusive.

code of federal regulations (CFR) is NOT a part of the United States constitution.

Indeed, but its the constitution allows for them...or is that one of the things the constitution allows that you don't like rather than the bits of the constitution you do like.

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

FACT: as a result of expressing myself, the peace loving, tolerant left wing members of this forum almost immediately attacked me for my opinions.

It never pays to feed the troll GR.

It never pays to feed the troll GR.

You really shouldn't put yourself down like that august.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

You really shouldn't put yourself down like that august.

August wasn't putting himself down.

Tribesman, you realy should read the US Constitution before commenting on it.
Your knowledge thereof appears to be slightly higher than Zero.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

It never pays to feed the troll GR.

[tater]

Race questions aree absurd, since race is not a useful concept in the first place, and the so-called races available are not even races. "Hispanic" is not a race.

I've seen attempt to put Homo sapiens into a clade with sub-species as races---basically what used to be caucusoid, negroid, mongoloid, but where the mongoloid splits into a 2 with one being native americans, and adds oceania (New Guinea and Australian Aborigines) as another.

Regardless, it's effectively meaningless, and given add-mixtures in the US utterly pointless except to facilitate institutional racism (sometimes called "reverse" racism, it is none the less simple racism).

IMO, the biggest problem is counting non-citizens. Your citizenship status is a question that should be there, but is not. If you're not a citizen (or legal resident) you frankly should not count.