QUESTION FOR LAWYERS : can we take any legal actions against UBI ??

03-16-10, 12:18 PM

Sure, you can sue UBI. Heck, you can sue anybody you want here in the US. But will you win? That's going to be up to a judge and how he/she feels that particular day. Is paying up to $400 per hour to a lawyer plus paying for court costs going to be worth it to you? I don't think so considering you only payed about $50 for the game in general. Don't forget that UBI has lawyers too and they are on a fixed salary. They can drag the case on for YEARS before a judge is allowed to make a determination. By then you, and everyone else (considering a CA lawsuit with multiple parties is involved) will be drained of all money and the payoff will not be worth it. Because by then, UBI will release Silent Hunter VI and and Assassins Creed 3 and they will have generated enough money to prolong the case even longer.

To me, a lawsuit seems ridiculous. You should be able to take the game back for a decent refund if you bought it from a retail store to get back most of your money. That would be the easiest solution and would hurt UBI a lot more if that's what you want to do. Just stop supporting them and all their software titles from here on out if that's how you really feel. If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

IanC · 03-16-10, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69

If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

Ah yes, the 'Support them no matter what they dish out, because they're the only ones making subsims' argument...

03-16-10, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC

Ah yes, the 'Support them no matter what they dish out, because they're the only ones making subsims' argument...

Actually, it's the "Do whatever floats your boat" argument actually. What I choose to do is my choice, what you choose to do is your choice. The bottom line is that no other company is making submarine simulations right now. I'm not going to live forever, so I choose to support the one and only company that's at least attempting to cater to my likes at this particular time. If another company emerges from the depths and can deliver something better then I will go there but until then I'm stuck with UBI.

IanC · 03-16-10, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69

Actually, it's the "Do whatever floats your boat" argument actually. What I choose to do is my choice, what you choose to do is your choice. The bottom line is that no other company is making submarine simulations right now. I'm not going to live forever, so I choose to support the one and only company that's at least attempting to cater to my likes at this particular time. If another company emerges from the depths and can deliver something better then I will go there but until then I'm stuck with UBI.

By principle alone, I would not support a company that delivers an inferior product even if they're the only ones catering to said product.
You can use whatever analogy here... I like the bad barber one. If my town only had one barber, and he kept giving me bad haircuts, so bad my wife had to fix it once I got home, he would stop getting my business.
And just to keep this on topic, I might just think about suing him for psychological and emotional distress.

BigBANGtheory · 03-16-10, 01:27 PM

Sueing someone for making what may be a poor game is just a complete nonsense and really not worth further discussion.

You will be arguing against consiquential entertainment loss next on the grounds you could have spent your free time better doing other things

Seriously return the game the retailer is your only sensible recourse, after that it is the retailers problem to sort out returns/damages/defective good etc.

To my mind UBI greatest sin in all this is the lack of information and communication, but there is no law against poor customer support I'm afraid (unless your like a government buying defence equipment in which case they change the law).

JScones · 03-16-10, 06:48 PM

What are the grounds for legal action? Just DRM/OSP?

Meh, you knew the issues and risks beforehand. If you didn't, then you either a) didn't read these forums or b) didn't undertake your own research into DRM/OSP.

Not that the reason really makes a difference, mind you, but IMHO if you are unhappy you're much better just to put it all down to experience, get a refund if you can, and remember for the next time a "must have game" gets released by Ubisoft.

Lanzfeld · 03-16-10, 06:53 PM

Sorry,

You were dumb enough to buy it...you are stuck with it. Natural selection my friends.

All the warning signs were there. EAT IT!

Coldcall · 03-16-10, 12:43 PM

In a way it would be nice if SH5 was such a commercial dissapointment for Ubi that they sold the SH IP to a smaller development house to whom such a title would be real meat. It just seems that it is being under-developed because Ubi rather prioritise resources elsehwere on more profitble product streams.

If a poor SH release can still sell 200k copies at $50 a pop then thats still a gross figure of $10million in sales, so the commercials are in place for a smaller specialist developer - if Ubi let go of the IP that is.

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03-16-10, 12:18 PM	#1
thorn69 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Sure, you can sue UBI. Heck, you can sue anybody you want here in the US. But will you win? That's going to be up to a judge and how he/she feels that particular day. Is paying up to $400 per hour to a lawyer plus paying for court costs going to be worth it to you? I don't think so considering you only payed about $50 for the game in general. Don't forget that UBI has lawyers too and they are on a fixed salary. They can drag the case on for YEARS before a judge is allowed to make a determination. By then you, and everyone else (considering a CA lawsuit with multiple parties is involved) will be drained of all money and the payoff will not be worth it. Because by then, UBI will release Silent Hunter VI and and Assassins Creed 3 and they will have generated enough money to prolong the case even longer. To me, a lawsuit seems ridiculous. You should be able to take the game back for a decent refund if you bought it from a retail store to get back most of your money. That would be the easiest solution and would hurt UBI a lot more if that's what you want to do. Just stop supporting them and all their software titles from here on out if that's how you really feel. If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

03-16-10, 01:27 PM	#5
BigBANGtheory Officer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: British Waters Posts: 243 Downloads: 98 Uploads: 0	Sueing someone for making what may be a poor game is just a complete nonsense and really not worth further discussion. You will be arguing against consiquential entertainment loss next on the grounds you could have spent your free time better doing other things Seriously return the game the retailer is your only sensible recourse, after that it is the retailers problem to sort out returns/damages/defective good etc. To my mind UBI greatest sin in all this is the lack of information and communication, but there is no law against poor customer support I'm afraid (unless your like a government buying defence equipment in which case they change the law).

03-16-10, 06:48 PM	#6
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	What are the grounds for legal action? Just DRM/OSP? Meh, you knew the issues and risks beforehand. If you didn't, then you either a) didn't read these forums or b) didn't undertake your own research into DRM/OSP. Not that the reason really makes a difference, mind you, but IMHO if you are unhappy you're much better just to put it all down to experience, get a refund if you can, and remember for the next time a "must have game" gets released by Ubisoft.

03-16-10, 06:53 PM	#7
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Sorry, You were dumb enough to buy it...you are stuck with it. Natural selection my friends. All the warning signs were there. EAT IT!

03-16-10, 12:43 PM	#8
Coldcall Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 325 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	In a way it would be nice if SH5 was such a commercial dissapointment for Ubi that they sold the SH IP to a smaller development house to whom such a title would be real meat. It just seems that it is being under-developed because Ubi rather prioritise resources elsehwere on more profitble product streams. If a poor SH release can still sell 200k copies at $50 a pop then thats still a gross figure of $10million in sales, so the commercials are in place for a smaller specialist developer - if Ubi let go of the IP that is.