The facts of life: A heartfelt defense of Ubisoft and DRM

[RSColonel_131st]

Originally Posted by Iridium

... and would blame the lack of sales on piracy rather than their own poor development, leading them instead to stop making PC games in the laughable belief that only PC games get pirated. Because, of course, how could the publishers possibly be the ones doing wrong?

Well, in this case they shot themself in the foot: As long as UBI claims that OSP has not been cracked, they can't blame pirates for bad sales figures.

Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st

Well, in this case they shot themself in the foot: As long as UBI claims that OSP has not been cracked, they can't blame pirates for bad sales figures.

Did they ever claim it was not cracked?

Look guys, im not trying to troll, im trying to say that the amount of complaining in this forum is ridiculous, and i'd love the chance to talk about the game without sifting through 10 boycott ubi threads, thats all. Cant we all just take a chill pill and wait a few weeks for the kinks to be ironed out? This is a brand new game. Personally Starforce was way worse on my computer, and i havent had any problems whatsoever with the DRM, thats not to say that you have not, but if it works fine for me, why not you?

I'll tone down or even stop arguing in this thread if thats what the community wants, also how can i prove i'm not whatever guy you guys were talking about? I'm also available for Al Qaida trial defense and Hitler Argentinia sneaking, just to complete the "Make everyone mad" trifecta

[IanC]

Did they ever claim it was not cracked?

Funny how you speak for 'they'...

Look guys, im not trying to troll, im trying to say that the amount of complaining in this forum is ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous? Maybe there's good reason for the complaining.

and i'd love the chance to talk about the game without sifting through 10 boycott ubi threads

There isn't any boycott threads here.

Personally Starforce was way worse on my computer, and i havent had any problems whatsoever with the DRM, thats not to say that you have not, but if it works fine for me, why not you?

I never had any problems with Starforce, and I can't play SH5 at all because of my net connection.

I'll tone down or even stop arguing in this thread if thats what the community wants, also how can i prove i'm not whatever guy you guys were talking about? I'm also available for Al Qaida trial defense and Hitler Argentinia sneaking, just to complete the "Make everyone mad" trifecta

If you walk and talk like a duck, people are going to call you a duck.

Originally Posted by IanC

Funny how you speak for 'they'...

I dont speak for anyone but myself: I just dont remember seeing any official announcement of "This DRM has worked 100% of the time and there have been no issues". I havent seen any issues, i know 2 other people with this game and they say they haven't had any as well. So thats 300% reliability on my end, If it was so broken wouldnt one of us have had a problem by now? Even a lost save game? Anything?

So being against the popular opinion is trolling now? And i'd still like to see why you attribute me so some long gone (Presumibly unpopular) member, as if only one person would be stupid/dickish enough to defend this evil DRM monster, and that the valient subsim internet discussion boards are united in their rightous indignation and resolve. Cant my IP be checked or something if this person was banned? Being accused of being someone else is the only thing i'm annoyed with so far, and i am not angry at any one of you, honestly.

[les green01]

what you going do when they take the servers down and you cant play and they will take the servers down least with sh1 to uboat missions we could play for years and get our money worth and enjoy the games,and personly i dont buy it when they said they are not making money if they wasnt making money they wouldnt do another game,I dont mind doing a online verifcation one time online to play a game that i pay for.and way ubi been releasing half done games they should pay the modders for making the games better.

I'm pretty sure Sh3 and SH4 used to have DRM as well, usually they remove it with a patch after a certain amount of time, right?

[martes86]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

I'm pretty sure Sh3 and SH4 used to have DRM as well, usually they remove it with a patch after a certain amount of time, right?

Not really. First of all, neither SH3 or 4 had DRM, they had a traditional anti-copy scheme. And second, there was never an "official" patch to remove those systems, specially in the case of SH3 and Starforce.

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

I'm pretty sure Sh3 and SH4 used to have DRM as well, usually they remove it with a patch after a certain amount of time, right?

NO....SH3 DRM (starforce) screwed up so many computers (CDROM drives stopped working) Ubi removed it because of the Ticked off customers.... seems UBI didnt learn thier lesson. In fact a MAJOR selling point Ubi used with SH 4 is that It DID NOT have the same DRM as SH 3.

Edit: martes is right.... Starforce was not a DRM but a copy protection scheme (a piss poor one at that) that installed a program you couldnt see or manually uninstall. Ubi..while not officially removing it...did distribute the link to the program to uninstall Starforce, and promised the next SH would not have it.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

...and i'd love the chance to talk about the game without sifting through 10 boycott ubi threads...

Can you show me these ten threads you have to sift through? All the Anti-DRM threads were consolidated into one several days ago, and any new ones anyone starts are either locked or moved into that one.

I see that you have posted in several other threads, and honestly in relation the threads themselves, so I'll refrain from any more negative comments, for the time being. On the other hand, have you posted in the 'Bugs' thread? Or the 'Review' thread? Or most importantly the 'Introduce Yourself' thread?

[Faamecanic]

You said your piece Steve....

You of all people in this forum do NOT have to defend yourself..

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

Personally Starforce was way worse on my computer, and i havent had any problems whatsoever with the DRM, thats not to say that you have not, but if it works fine for me, why not you?

Starforce was not noticable to me.... but if they would have had a DRM that required constant internet connection back when SH3 was released I would have had to wait almost 2 yrs to play it (and that was because I MOVED to a place where I had a decent ISP).

You see at that time I was a slave to the only ISP in town (other than dial up) and they so overloaded the local neighborhood node (was told by a tech that 120 people MAX should be on it...there were over 300) my internet connection was good for "off peak times" (read between 3am - 11am local) only.

Ubi's DRM is probably the WORST DRM scheme in history. And it isnt right to assume 80% of people have internet connection, so screw the other 20%. Especially folks like Sailor Steve that have been fans and supporters for many more years than I have been on this forum.