100,000tns

Jeevz · 03-06-10, 10:08 PM

You have from September '39 to June '40 to do it (if you take it first), that should be plenty of time with the stock traffic. There are lots of convoys and they use shipping lanes so you can pick up a lot of tonnage patroling south of Ireland and west of the westernmost tip of England. A few convoy lanes come together right there and it's good hunting.

Sunfighter · 03-06-10, 10:24 PM

Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

CCIP · 03-06-10, 10:29 PM

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

remowilliams · 03-06-10, 10:37 PM

I thought this would be a bit much too, but then I ran into a nice big convoy without escorts and it was a field day to finish off the second half of the goal.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=497

I've seen ships take silly damage on occasion and keep going, but most I've hit require two torps max. The flooding aspect does seem rather suspect.

The damage model looks really frustrating when there is a ship completely ablaze and half underwater and it keeps plowing along...

gutted · 03-06-10, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

Dude, i had a ship sitting nose low int he water at a 45 degree angle. It looked like the titanic. I waited for hours and he wouldn't sink.

I surface and put two rounds into him and he sinks.

CCIP · 03-06-10, 10:41 PM

Well, as far as I understand, all the damage model controls are mostly identical between SHIII/IV and V. So hopefully that's something that either patches or mods will bring to a more reasonable state soon.

Frederf · 03-06-10, 11:31 PM

And just like stock SH3/SH4 it's coded to run out of "ship health points" more likely than it is to sink due to flooding/buoyancy. Also the 8.8cm deck gun is coded to do a craptonne of damage.

Natural Sinking Mechanics and similar mods for SH3/SH4 simply (ok, it's not so simple) jacked the ship HP high enough that you'd have to obliterate a target with torps before HP dropped to 0. The much more common method then became sinking due to flooding (which was also heavily tweaked, requiring a ton of work/testing).

Does anyone know what happens if you don't complete any/enough of the missions? Do you "fail" or what?

ReFaN · 03-06-10, 11:33 PM

you dont fail

History just runs its course.

kylania · 03-07-10, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gutted

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship.

Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit.

Dude, i had a ship sitting nose low int he water at a 45 degree angle. It looked like the titanic. I waited for hours and he wouldn't sink.

I surface and put two rounds into him and he sinks.

I had a ship like that steam off at 11kts with the propeller in the air and the whole thing on fire! My last convoy I had ships hit with multiple torps and they sailed off like nothing was wrong. Definitely need to fix this damage thing. I've been holding off on the overcharge torpedoes thing, but maybe that's required??

As for not being able to get 100k ton, I'm in Dec '39 and have found 5 super large convoys (12+ ships each) and 4 of them were totally unguarded. There's plenty of traffic it seems, just need to actually be able to kill things

walsh2509 · 03-06-10, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunfighter

Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

I know, I did this in other SH's but that apart , in those other SH games a single shot (not under the keel) would kill a ship or at least cripple it or slow it way down and then you could pick those off with you DG after the DD cover had gone.

03-06-10, 10:08 PM	#1
Jeevz A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 80 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	You have from September '39 to June '40 to do it (if you take it first), that should be plenty of time with the stock traffic. There are lots of convoys and they use shipping lanes so you can pick up a lot of tonnage patroling south of Ireland and west of the westernmost tip of England. A few convoy lanes come together right there and it's good hunting. __________________ Commence to Jigglin

03-06-10, 10:29 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I find the ship damage model to be surprisingly broken right now. Not completely broken, but it seems to follow an all-or-nothing logic. Either your torpedoes outright destroy or sink the ship, or it keeps sailing forward after 2, 3 torpedo hits. I've had very few instances of propulsion damage or partial flooding that substantially affected a ship. Something to be fixed soon hopefully. I know iambecomelife said he was already looking into remodeling/rebalancing ship damage a bit. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-06-10, 10:41 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well, as far as I understand, all the damage model controls are mostly identical between SHIII/IV and V. So hopefully that's something that either patches or mods will bring to a more reasonable state soon. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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ReFaN Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 831 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	you dont fail History just runs its course. __________________ Liverpool is my relegion, Anfield is my church. True believers never walk alone.

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03-06-10, 10:24 PM	#2
Sunfighter A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 78 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Put the torp under the hull magnetic setting, youll snap the boat like a twig with one shot if you do it right.

03-06-10, 10:37 PM	#4
remowilliams Loader Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 90 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I thought this would be a bit much too, but then I ran into a nice big convoy without escorts and it was a field day to finish off the second half of the goal. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=497 I've seen ships take silly damage on occasion and keep going, but most I've hit require two torps max. The flooding aspect does seem rather suspect. The damage model looks really frustrating when there is a ship completely ablaze and half underwater and it keeps plowing along...

03-06-10, 11:31 PM	#7
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	And just like stock SH3/SH4 it's coded to run out of "ship health points" more likely than it is to sink due to flooding/buoyancy. Also the 8.8cm deck gun is coded to do a craptonne of damage. Natural Sinking Mechanics and similar mods for SH3/SH4 simply (ok, it's not so simple) jacked the ship HP high enough that you'd have to obliterate a target with torps before HP dropped to 0. The much more common method then became sinking due to flooding (which was also heavily tweaked, requiring a ton of work/testing). Does anyone know what happens if you don't complete any/enough of the missions? Do you "fail" or what?