I give up.

[msxyz]

Back to the OP points...

MY GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH THE INTERFACE?!?

Yesterday evening I paid a visit to a friend and discovered he got SH5. He told me how disappointed he was, coming from SH3 and SH4, that the interface had been completely reworked.

I asked him to see it and, my God, he's right.

I haven't played SH3 or SH4 in a year so I don't remeber shortcuts or anything. But I do remeber that all the info I needed was readily available.

Now, it's a REAL mess.

The SH3 interface was very functional and stylish. With SH4 they messed things a bit but it still worked. After less than one hour of SH5, I felt frustrated and exhausted.

Someone says the developers lurk often these forums. Back in the days of SH3 and 4 I remeber a lot of people asking more realism in the simulation (sonar, depth charges, ship inertia and turn ratio) but very few crticis aimed at the interface. While I like the idea of strolling through the sub like a FPS, once the novelty wears out (and with only one boat available), I want to reach every information, every battle station, every command in a matter of 1 click!

I'm glad I didn't buy this. I have doubts that modder can correct this as the interface is probably hard coded into the game itself.

[GFC Christian]

Originally Posted by msxyz

MY GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH THE INTERFACE?!?

Its new, thats it ! Give it a try, get used to it or wait for a mod..... honestly it took me 30 minutes to get used to it and now its fine. I'm really amazed how many people comment and/or complain tho they have no copy of SH5 or even played it for a while.

SH5 is not perfect, not free of bugs and for sure there are lot of things UBI has to improve, but it works, looks awesome and obviously UBI is working on it. IMO three good reasons to stay tuned.

"Jammert nicht, kämpft !" (Don't moan, fight !)

P.S.: ......anybody of you played Armed Assault 2 ? You should ! It makes you modest and grateful.

[JackAubrey]

Originally Posted by GFC Christian

P.S.: ......anybody of you played Armed Assault 2 ? You should ! It makes you modest and grateful.

I do. Regularly. But I don't see why it should make me modest and grateful. For what?

In ArmA2:

• I do not have to ask my Subordinate about his Mother to make him shoot back.
• My Sniper does not have the ability to make bullets fly faster by reaching for his double-cut file and activating "Live Cartridge Pimping Lvl. 2".
• Enemies do not pop up from nowhere.
• My Gun does not cease to function suddenly.
• Shots land in the general direction the gun was pointed in.
• My Boss does not stand in the middle of a Field and tell me to "Come in".
• Friendly AI does call out enemy contacts
• Enemy AI actually shoots back
• The AI does not run against walls until it dies
• I can look at my compass

And last, but not least:
I can play it, even when my Internet connection goes down. Try that with SH5.

I play arma2 constantly and what the devs do is fantastic.
They release beta patches to the public and the latest patch makes it perfect but also there is ALOT more happening on the battlefield than SH5.
Also arma2 stayed true to it's simulation roots, SH5 did not.
Codemasters dumped Bohemia interactive, took the original operation flashpoint name and with a bigger team and bigger budget released to total mess that is operation flaspoint dragon rising.
Kudos to BI for what they have done, those guys at least deserve credit for what they did.
SH5 is what op flashpoint DR is to arma2.

[GFC Christian]

Originally Posted by JackAubrey

I do. Regularly. But I don't see why it should make me modest and grateful. For what?

Come on, you know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you ? So here we go..

I do not have to ask my Subordinate about his Mother to make him shoot back.

...good one. They surely will implement it sooner or later with this ACE2 sh*it !

My Sniper does not have the ability to make bullets fly faster by reaching for his double-cut file and activating "Live Cartridge Pimping Lvl. 2".

Your sniper dosen't even have the ability to improve anything...

Enemies do not pop up from nowhere.

Your are sure we talking about Armed Assault 2 ? The game where the enemies dive into the terrain like a sub and suddenly appear in front or next to you ?

My Gun does not cease to function suddenly.

A Bug or a realistic feature ? Who knows.....

Shots land in the general direction the gun was pointed in.

They do not in SH5 ? Never noted until now...

My Boss does not stand in the middle of a Field and tell me to "Come in".

Have you ever tried to ask him about his mum ?

Friendly AI does call out enemy contacts

That YOU can't see due to the outdated graphic engine and horrible rendered terrain details.

Enemy AI actually shoots back

Yes....actually over 750m with an AK74 w/o scope at night w/o nighgoogles directly between your eyes ! That's what I call "artifical intelligence

The AI does not run against walls until it dies

But they walk and shoot through walls....so what ?

I can look at my compass

That makes the difference....

I'm leading an Armed Assault Community running two dedicated servers. We are so fed up with it that we decided to wait for "Operation Arrowhead" that hopefully will fix some of the above mentioned. Since years the bug list of Armed Assault is longer than the list of SH5 will ever be, and many of the BETA Patches made things more worse !

Next to this; due to the release of the editing tools for SH5 right on your copy this game has the same potential as Armed Assault. SH5 is the platform and now it's up to the community.

And "last but not least"; DRM is an epic fail as it got already succesfully hacked and probably UBI invested more time to get it up i/o fixing bugs prior to the release. But don't fool around, cause as soon as YOU start your system the all world knows that YOU are online....UBI is only one more company on that list.

my2cent

P.S.: ...sorry for getting off topic.

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by GFC Christian

Its new, thats it ! Give it a try, get used to it or wait for a mod..... honestly it took me 30 minutes to get used to it and now its fine. I'm really amazed how many people comment and/or complain tho they have no copy of SH5 or even played it for a while.

I played it for nearly one hour and as I said in my previous post, I didn't touch any other sub sim in the past year, so it was almost as a fresh start.

Giving orders is okay but I also want to have access plenty of info and commands concentrated in a sleek and comprehensive interface.

Some people argue that Silent Hunter is a submarine commander simulation.

But a sub, or a ship, is a collection of several individuals each with its own mind, eyes, ears and expertise. In Silent Hunter if you're distracted or busy, there are no other humans taking care of your orders in a meaningful way: just a simple 'autopilot' that follows blindly your last command.

That's why I maintain that the game must provide at any moment all the info needed to make conscious decisions and the controls must be equally simple and immediate. You're alone. A sub has a bridge full of experienced professionals and dozens of sailors on duty at any time.

With this new SH5 interface, it seemed to me that I was effectively unable to manage an emergency situation. And it wasn't just because of my inexperience. The interface felt very clumsy. It lacked the info I wanted to have all the time under my eyes.