What have we learned?

Overboard · 03-04-10, 09:11 PM

To the op, There Not going to, How many SH games have to come out befor you realise this DUH!!.. Dam".
What are you lost or just dreaming.

mookiemookie · 03-04-10, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Overboard

To the op, There Not going to, How many SH games have to come out befor you realise this DUH!!.. Dam".
What are you lost or just dreaming.

Next time don't type anything. You'll save the wear and tear on your keyboard and will have added just as much to the discussion.

Overboard · 03-04-10, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Next time don't type anything. You'll save the wear and tear on your keyboard and will have added just as much to the discussion.

Nah..Your just kidding"

Iron Budokan · 03-04-10, 09:26 PM

Very well said and thoughtful post. You make an excellent argument about comparing the subsequent iterations of this game to a house with a rickety foundation.

It's not like Ubi hasn't known about the bugs in question from /3 to /4 and now to /5. There really is no defensible argument they can give as to why the same ones continue to appear with every subsequent release of this game.

It's obviously a conscious decision on their part not to correct these glaring oversights, the same oversights and bugs that have plagued this series through many iterations. Which begs the question...WHY have they not fixed these things?

I'm afraid we will never have an answer to that one.

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 09:28 PM

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When will there be a new SH built from the ground up? When will the mistakes of legacy SH titles be washed away. When are they going to throw out the old code and bugs, and start fresh?

Realistic answer. Probably never. I'm surmising that existing code was used to save on costs and development time, and im also guessing that these projects not only have a deadlne, but a budget to stay within. SH3, is probably the last sub sim built from the ground up (at least im guessing it was). Were up to Sh5 now, so i think its a safe bet to say that If Ubi was going to develop a new sub sim from the ground up, they would have done it already. Then there's also the very distinct possibility that SH5 will be the last one made. I really doubt we'll see a SH6.

mookiemookie · 03-04-10, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Were up to Sh5 now, so i think its a safe bet to say that If Ubi was going to develop a new sub sim from the ground up, they would have done it already. Then there's also the very distinct possibility that SH5 will be the last one made. I really doubt we'll see a SH6.

Exactly. If there was time given in the development cycle to create new code, I believe it would have been done. Reading between the lines in Dan's posts, it's pretty clear that he would love to do this but I'm assuming the time's not been given to the team to do so.

And as much as it sucks, I completely agree with your last statement. I don't think we'll see another SH from Ubi.

Iron Budokan · 03-04-10, 09:39 PM

I'm inclined to agree with what's being discussed here. Doubtful we will ever see new code for the game, else it would have already been done. Since that's probably true, this might very well be the last Silent Hunter title from Ubi.

Given their track record, and the increasingly deleterious shape this game is released in every time they come out with a new one, I can't say as I'm sorry about that.

I mean, it's to be expected. They pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this release if we are to believe the majority of posters who did buy the game, and who are angry and bitter and feel as if they've been taken for a ride.

Seafireliv · 03-04-10, 09:39 PM

Yea, but keep buying because by Silent Hunter XX they`ll iron the bugs out. Of course piracy will be eradicated by the 24\7 DRM which means Devs will have more money to make future SH`s better eh?

Hmmm. Somehow, I suspect, they`ll just keep the extra cash and just get richer while still bugged SH IX will need a tube hooked to your main artery 24\7 taking blood samples to confirm you are who you say you are.

But you guys just keep falling for it.

Good thing I have SHIV.

Iron Budokan · 03-04-10, 09:46 PM

I didn't fall for anything. I didn't buy this game and a lot of the other hard core simmers (who know a heck of a lot more about sub sims than I ever will) haven't bought it, either.

But your point is well taken. If people keep buying games like this that are rushed out the door and "built upon rickety foundatons" as the OP said, then, yeah, nothing will ever change.

But, as I said, I think Ubi went too far this time. There's a lot of bad feeling out there about this game, and, sheesh, it's just been released. That's going to be difficult to overcome as far as sales go, I would think...?

mookiemookie · 03-04-10, 09:57 PM

I bought it. So what? I was betting that they learned their lesson from SH4 - I was wrong. If you want to sit there and smugly say "I told you so, look at me, I'm so smart!" then that's your prerogative. It makes you kind of a...uh..."jerk", but yeah, you can do that.

Ships-R-Us · 03-04-10, 09:57 PM

Perhaps the company needs cash flow fast and this is the product.

Remember that all the little kids shopping at Walmart and other places that know nothing about realism will think this is a great game and the sales will be great.

The quality of SH5 does speak volumnes reference Ubisofts character.

Eightbit · 03-04-10, 10:02 PM

I just have to mention regarding your analogy. From what I have heard its actually better to build up and change what you got piece by piece. Rather then start a new. Main reason for that is what you got (that works) is already tried and tested. So when you add some new code or a new feature and something else breaks, it's a lot easier to track down.

And don't think you have to start from scratch to get new features, Just look at the COD and MOH series and take a look at the engines they were built off.

When you start fresh you introduce a whole lot more new bugs. Things that you used to have down pat suddenly don't work etc.

I think the honest answer to what has happened with sh4 bugs moving into sh5. Negligence

03-04-10, 10:26 PM

correct me if im wrong here (it happens a lot lol) but didnt UBI get sh2 from buying out some other company and they just improved on something that was already started?

if im right on that, then they really havent done anything new at any point but rather they just modded the game they bought to make it play better.

no matter how much they try to deny it sh4 was just sh3 with new content and i believe they took the same method here and just added new content to sh4 (or maybe even sh3) in order to call it sh5.

dan gets mad when people say its arcade like but lets be honest, when you look at the in game videos of this thing it is 10 steps backwards from the sim factor and you wait for this dot to line up with that dot to fire or you miss your target?

say what? this is the improved hud they came up with.

just look at the auto targetting video here in case you dont have the game

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163076

i really really hoped for so much from this thing but i just cant see this game being saved unless the modders can rebuild the fps cartoonish hud totally from scratch. i think dan said it was possible to mod in the sh4 type hud and controls so if thats true then there is hope this thing can turn out nice after all.

03-04-10, 09:26 PM	#4
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Very well said and thoughtful post. You make an excellent argument about comparing the subsequent iterations of this game to a house with a rickety foundation. It's not like Ubi hasn't known about the bugs in question from /3 to /4 and now to /5. There really is no defensible argument they can give as to why the same ones continue to appear with every subsequent release of this game. It's obviously a conscious decision on their part not to correct these glaring oversights, the same oversights and bugs that have plagued this series through many iterations. Which begs the question...WHY have they not fixed these things? I'm afraid we will never have an answer to that one. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-10, 09:39 PM	#7
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I'm inclined to agree with what's being discussed here. Doubtful we will ever see new code for the game, else it would have already been done. Since that's probably true, this might very well be the last Silent Hunter title from Ubi. Given their track record, and the increasingly deleterious shape this game is released in every time they come out with a new one, I can't say as I'm sorry about that. I mean, it's to be expected. They pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this release if we are to believe the majority of posters who did buy the game, and who are angry and bitter and feel as if they've been taken for a ride. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-10, 09:46 PM	#9
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I didn't fall for anything. I didn't buy this game and a lot of the other hard core simmers (who know a heck of a lot more about sub sims than I ever will) haven't bought it, either. But your point is well taken. If people keep buying games like this that are rushed out the door and "built upon rickety foundatons" as the OP said, then, yeah, nothing will ever change. But, as I said, I think Ubi went too far this time. There's a lot of bad feeling out there about this game, and, sheesh, it's just been released. That's going to be difficult to overcome as far as sales go, I would think...? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-10, 09:57 PM	#10
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I bought it. So what? I was betting that they learned their lesson from SH4 - I was wrong. If you want to sit there and smugly say "I told you so, look at me, I'm so smart!" then that's your prerogative. It makes you kind of a...uh..."jerk", but yeah, you can do that. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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03-04-10, 09:11 PM	#1
Overboard Medic Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 164 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	To the op, There Not going to, How many SH games have to come out befor you realise this DUH!!.. Dam". What are you lost or just dreaming.

03-04-10, 09:39 PM	#8
Seafireliv Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Yea, but keep buying because by Silent Hunter XX they`ll iron the bugs out. Of course piracy will be eradicated by the 24\7 DRM which means Devs will have more money to make future SH`s better eh? Hmmm. Somehow, I suspect, they`ll just keep the extra cash and just get richer while still bugged SH IX will need a tube hooked to your main artery 24\7 taking blood samples to confirm you are who you say you are. But you guys just keep falling for it. Good thing I have SHIV.

03-04-10, 09:57 PM	#11
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	Perhaps the company needs cash flow fast and this is the product. Remember that all the little kids shopping at Walmart and other places that know nothing about realism will think this is a great game and the sales will be great. The quality of SH5 does speak volumnes reference Ubisofts character.

03-04-10, 10:02 PM	#12
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I just have to mention regarding your analogy. From what I have heard its actually better to build up and change what you got piece by piece. Rather then start a new. Main reason for that is what you got (that works) is already tried and tested. So when you add some new code or a new feature and something else breaks, it's a lot easier to track down. And don't think you have to start from scratch to get new features, Just look at the COD and MOH series and take a look at the engines they were built off. When you start fresh you introduce a whole lot more new bugs. Things that you used to have down pat suddenly don't work etc. I think the honest answer to what has happened with sh4 bugs moving into sh5. Negligence

03-04-10, 10:26 PM	#13
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	correct me if im wrong here (it happens a lot lol) but didnt UBI get sh2 from buying out some other company and they just improved on something that was already started? if im right on that, then they really havent done anything new at any point but rather they just modded the game they bought to make it play better. no matter how much they try to deny it sh4 was just sh3 with new content and i believe they took the same method here and just added new content to sh4 (or maybe even sh3) in order to call it sh5. dan gets mad when people say its arcade like but lets be honest, when you look at the in game videos of this thing it is 10 steps backwards from the sim factor and you wait for this dot to line up with that dot to fire or you miss your target? say what? this is the improved hud they came up with. just look at the auto targetting video here in case you dont have the game http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163076 i really really hoped for so much from this thing but i just cant see this game being saved unless the modders can rebuild the fps cartoonish hud totally from scratch. i think dan said it was possible to mod in the sh4 type hud and controls so if thats true then there is hope this thing can turn out nice after all.