It is done......

[Seafireliv]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Seafireliv

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the other UBI games I have. So what is the problem

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the othe UBI games I have. So what is the problem

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just spent some more time looking at the videos Neal posted. The game looks very good to me. The environment looks like the cold gray north Atlantic. The sub itself is really cool with all the rooms now added. Finally, I'm a captain barking out orders. So it has a bit of an acade look. Don't they all out of the box? These things will be modded eventually. As far as DRM...I see it not lasting a long time to be honest. I do not find it a personal affront that DRM is used. I enjoy the hell out of the SH series and other UBI games. I really do not see the issue.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Heretic

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

While we shouldn't be personally insulting each other, we also shouldn't be happily forking over money and acting like Ubisoft is doing us a favor either.

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest. The instant your paid for game goes off line (or the instant Ubisoft's notoriously badly run servers do the same) you get cut off from using the product you only really "rented" at full purchase price.

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Personally I won't really affect me. I have high speed constant connections at home and at work and I don't travel with a laptop or anything (though the few times I have SH3 was on it!). But at the same time it's painfully clear that Ubisoft is directly attacking their paying customers in the name of fighting piracy and this system is NOT the way to protect their product.

That's why I'm NOT buying this product while Ubisoft treats their customers like criminals while the real criminals get to enjoy their games just fine.*


* as in those that simply hack the game, not the few who buy the game and don't realize how bad an idea this DRM thing is.

[AVGWarhawk]

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me.

Not eveyone is outraged. It is what it is. UBI doing me a favor? I do not see it that way. I see some entertainment coming my way. So it has DRM. Not the first game that I have owned that phone home. It makes no difference to me. It is that simple. You have labeled yourself as a criminal. To be honest your distaste is venting the wrong way. Go after those that do steal games. These folks are the true root cause for protection.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by kylania

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

I've been quite vocal about how stupid DRM is, but buying or not buying SH5 won't make a damn bit of difference, as it's such small potatoes. The real damage will be for the big hitters like AC2 to not sell well. Am I going to buy that? NO! Why? To punish Ubi. SH5 is so tiny and insignificant that they'll write lack of interest off to a waning of the genre. There are no console sales to compare against, like with AC2, where the damage will show.

What else will I be doing? Well, I'll be reviewing AC2 and saying that I won't be buying it because of the DRM and will be voting it as one star on amazon. I hope a lot of other people do too (hint hint :-). Us gamers know how to use the internet like that.

I do want to support SH5 and to make that support clear, I will be buying the collector's or special edition. I also do not support DRM and have argued against the 'fanboys' who say it will be great, when quite clearly it will stop people who could have played the game from doing so. I will continue to say how poor it is and when I have purchased the game and sufferred the true horror of DRM, you can bet I'll be in the 'official' forum and posting if I get problems and complaining about it for real, not just with the conjecture shown here.

I hope that makes my position clear. If you made it this far, thanks for reading it all :-).

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Well, I'll be reviewing AC2 and saying that I won't be buying it because of the DRM and will be voting it as one star on amazon.

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Highbury

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.

No less childish than what is going on here. Do you agree?

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Highbury

How can you review it without buying it, or know a rating without playing.

That seems childish if you ask me.

I didn't ask you . It's a product. They didn't make it the way I wanted. I won't be buying the product because of the way they made it. That's a review. That's what happens in the free market. You are free to ignore your customers and they are free to say what they like about you. They won't be saying on the box that the product has such restrictive DRM, so other potential purchasers need to be warned.

Yes, it says 'permanent internet connection required' but it doesn't say that you need a 100% reliable connection or you will lose your unsaved progress. Don't potential purchasers deserved to be warned, or should people just walk in blindly and get stuck with such a monster?

We all know that's how AC2 will work, none of us that have kept up to date need to buy it to know that. It's the 'casual' gamer that Ubi are after that won't know. They won't have been reading the forums. They do deserve to know what they are buying right - after all even Ubisoft won't tell them what they are buying and how the DRM will work. You remember that 'phone interview, where the guy asked the Ubisoft rep how DRM would work in each game and he said 'Ask your peers' - not that's childish.

I don't like your way of letting people be tricked into buying a product they didn't want. If they read all the reviews and see they all refer to DRM, then if that doesn't bother them, then they can decide to purchase anyway. It's the ones that don't know that deserve fair warning. A product with this DRM in it does suck, regardless of how good the game is. NO STARS FOR YOU!

[AVGWarhawk]

Darn, I did not know posting that I made my purchase of the game would produce explosive diarrhea for those that did not agree with my decision to purchase. Astonishing!

Is that that the postman coming down the street

[Méo]

Originally Posted by kylania

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest.

Being treated as a criminal, that's your own interpretation.

If I go to the bank for mortgage, they won't think: hey! you're a client, of course we trust you!

When I go in a store, I'm always checked by monitoring camera, they treat as a criminal?

Originally Posted by kylania

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

[AVGWarhawk]

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

Good point but in all fairness, PS3 games are $10-$20 more than the PC games. Tell me the fix was not in because console games are more popular? More money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew82]

Originally Posted by Méo

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

I'm with you


People, if I don't like SHV, I'll just wait for all mods and patches to be released, if after that I still don't like SHV I'll throw it on some top shelf in my garage and know that at least I've tried to love it...

Then, in ten years or so, I put the disk in my computer, install SHV again for old-times-sake, then laugh my ass of because all of ubi's servers are down and the game can't connect to play......

[longam]

Originally Posted by Andrew82

Then, in ten years or so, I put the disk in my computer, install SHV again for old-times-sake, then laugh my ass of because all of ubi's servers are down and the game can't connect to play......

Well, just go download the last patch that turns off the protection.

@AVG - I'll be ordering as soon as I get my Debit card (switching banks). I cant wait to be able to watch the crew do their thing instead of trying to imagine it is happening. It should really fill in that gap that SH3&4 was missing.