It is done......

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

order placed through SS Amazon? I await at the door for the USPS to arrive with my box. I will have my soup!

Originally Posted by Andrew82

Me 2! Now we wait.....

Originally Posted by Méo

I did the same yesterday.

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Deliver rapidly mailman!

And then it doesn't arrive. And... you get a email from UBI that it will be shipped 4-1-2010

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

And then it doesn't arrive. And... you get a email from UBI that it will be shipped 4-1-2010

No worries...I play SH4 or Fallout 3 until it arrives

[Seafireliv]

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Seafireliv

I just don`t get you people. I suppose you`d sell your grandmas too if UBI requuired it.

We won`t win the war anytime soon at this rate.

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the other UBI games I have. So what is the problem

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the othe UBI games I have. So what is the problem

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just spent some more time looking at the videos Neal posted. The game looks very good to me. The environment looks like the cold gray north Atlantic. The sub itself is really cool with all the rooms now added. Finally, I'm a captain barking out orders. So it has a bit of an acade look. Don't they all out of the box? These things will be modded eventually. As far as DRM...I see it not lasting a long time to be honest. I do not find it a personal affront that DRM is used. I enjoy the hell out of the SH series and other UBI games. I really do not see the issue.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Heretic

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

While we shouldn't be personally insulting each other, we also shouldn't be happily forking over money and acting like Ubisoft is doing us a favor either.

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest. The instant your paid for game goes off line (or the instant Ubisoft's notoriously badly run servers do the same) you get cut off from using the product you only really "rented" at full purchase price.

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Personally I won't really affect me. I have high speed constant connections at home and at work and I don't travel with a laptop or anything (though the few times I have SH3 was on it!). But at the same time it's painfully clear that Ubisoft is directly attacking their paying customers in the name of fighting piracy and this system is NOT the way to protect their product.

That's why I'm NOT buying this product while Ubisoft treats their customers like criminals while the real criminals get to enjoy their games just fine.*


* as in those that simply hack the game, not the few who buy the game and don't realize how bad an idea this DRM thing is.

[AVGWarhawk]

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me.

Not eveyone is outraged. It is what it is. UBI doing me a favor? I do not see it that way. I see some entertainment coming my way. So it has DRM. Not the first game that I have owned that phone home. It makes no difference to me. It is that simple. You have labeled yourself as a criminal. To be honest your distaste is venting the wrong way. Go after those that do steal games. These folks are the true root cause for protection.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by kylania

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

I've been quite vocal about how stupid DRM is, but buying or not buying SH5 won't make a damn bit of difference, as it's such small potatoes. The real damage will be for the big hitters like AC2 to not sell well. Am I going to buy that? NO! Why? To punish Ubi. SH5 is so tiny and insignificant that they'll write lack of interest off to a waning of the genre. There are no console sales to compare against, like with AC2, where the damage will show.

What else will I be doing? Well, I'll be reviewing AC2 and saying that I won't be buying it because of the DRM and will be voting it as one star on amazon. I hope a lot of other people do too (hint hint :-). Us gamers know how to use the internet like that.

I do want to support SH5 and to make that support clear, I will be buying the collector's or special edition. I also do not support DRM and have argued against the 'fanboys' who say it will be great, when quite clearly it will stop people who could have played the game from doing so. I will continue to say how poor it is and when I have purchased the game and sufferred the true horror of DRM, you can bet I'll be in the 'official' forum and posting if I get problems and complaining about it for real, not just with the conjecture shown here.

I hope that makes my position clear. If you made it this far, thanks for reading it all :-).

[Méo]

Originally Posted by kylania

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest.

Being treated as a criminal, that's your own interpretation.

If I go to the bank for mortgage, they won't think: hey! you're a client, of course we trust you!

When I go in a store, I'm always checked by monitoring camera, they treat as a criminal?

Originally Posted by kylania

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me

Well I'll tell you what is beyond me, how people can be outraged over a 50$ computer game...

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by kylania

While we shouldn't be personally insulting each other, we also shouldn't be happily forking over money and acting like Ubisoft is doing us a favor either.

You're being treated as a criminal by Ubisoft and you're having to pay for the honor. You're under house arrest. The instant your paid for game goes off line (or the instant Ubisoft's notoriously badly run servers do the same) you get cut off from using the product you only really "rented" at full purchase price.

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Personally I won't really affect me. I have high speed constant connections at home and at work and I don't travel with a laptop or anything (though the few times I have SH3 was on it!). But at the same time it's painfully clear that Ubisoft is directly attacking their paying customers in the name of fighting piracy and this system is NOT the way to protect their product.

That's why I'm NOT buying this product while Ubisoft treats their customers like criminals while the real criminals get to enjoy their games just fine.*


* as in those that simply hack the game, not the few who buy the game and don't realize how bad an idea this DRM thing is.

Hear! hear!

It should be an insult to every person who has paid hard cash to be treated like this.

I`ll bet one thing though, as soon as your copies of SH5 start quitting for no reason and you get whole hours (and maybe even days) on being unable to play you`ll all be cursing UBI allright.

But it`ll be too late. they`ll give you crocodile tears, spiel you along with excuses then tell you that you accepted it and must live with it. You`ll all be seething with rage while they run off to the bank and award themselves massive bonuses with YOUR money.
Then you guys will wish you had said `No` and forced UBI to give up their 24\7 DRM. And even if it all goes smoothly, you guys will have set a precedent that will ruin Single player game enjoyment for life.

Mark my words.

[MasterCaine]

Originally Posted by kylania

How everyone is not outraged at this is beyond me. Why anyone would want to support this kind of penalty against paying customers is beyond me as well. Yet in this thread several people are downright PROUD to support the most ill conceived and ridiculous DRM policy ever put in place.

Here's your answer- Sheeple.. plain and simple. Society these days is full of people who cannot, or will not think for themselves.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Heretic

I guess some people just take it as a personal affront if you don't share their level of outrage over their pet issue. They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side. Kinda reminds me of PETA. Now there's an effective advocacy group.

Yep. Some people think that spamming every forum is the correct way to disagree.

@ AVGWarhawk: While I won't be getting it (couldn't play it anyway, being without a computer and all) I do look forward to hearing what you think.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Heretic

They apparently think insulting people and generally being as annoying as possible is a dandy way to win people over to their side.

bump.

[Elder-Pirate]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Both my Grandmas are dead. So, that would not work for me. I did not know we're at war with UBI. Last time I checked UBI did nothing to me. I enjoy the SH series as well as the other UBI games I have. So what is the problem

So are mine but I got the point. And I think you did too.

But so be it, for all of us do have their rights to an opinion. Sometimes that's a shame.


And as someone else already quoted in this thread: Good luck guys.