The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Spike]

Ubi never listens,look at sh3 final patch...

[Heckler]

The more I read this, the more I am convinced they are just posturing at the moment. Some one has determined that this is the way forward and whilst it might be 10% about making it harder for the game to be cracked, it's 90% about killing the resale market and moving people towards a new kind of lock in which will make them more money.

However.. no game remains uncracked for ever and it's just a matter of time before one is released that will bypass the need to be online and make save games possible locally.

If they can delay the cracks for a few weeks or even a few months, they will regard it as a success... and I suspect that a patch will be released to soften the protection after a few months. After all it's those first few months sales that count.

I still won't be buying it on principle, I object to being dictated to in this way and I suspect some one will start a class action suit in the US to ram the point home.

I love the Settlers series and have played them all, still have 3, 4, 5 sat on my shelf... I won't be buying 7 either.

[UnSalted]

"That's the plan" being repeated so often is laughable. Anyone that actually runs a business knows that one of the first things you build into any plan is flexibility to deal with market conditions.

Ubisoft's replies sound like a man telling a woman that birth control isn't necessary because he doesn't intend to make her pregnant.

[KG_Jag]

What sane company takes an action (DRM type in this case) that alienates so many of its core customers?

If Ubi is sane, which I hope to be the case, then perhaps its core audience for SH5 is not the folks who tend to gather here.

[Akula Osis]

This release will be a wait and see for me, I'm in no rush to endure the frustration of dealing with this insanity

Gabucino, your rant really made me laugh. But the bottom line, is whether they like your language or not, your a paying customer and have showed loyalty through your purchases. Can the copies you've purchased not be played on a regular PC?

These DRM discussions always drive me insane, I change my hardware components almost monthly as they go onsale. Are they not smart enough to figure out hard core gamers operate in this fashion?

[Sniper297]

"That's the plan", they never heard the old adage that "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy"? I'll be voting with my wallet - I'm not buying it.

[Buck_O]

Its too bad it comes to this, (DRM) I don't like it, but I can certainly understand UBISOFT's position.

I know that if I created something (weather that be art,music, a computer game a book etc...) & put my heart into it, for both love of creating & for a profit; and then people started stealing it. Then I would go to great lengths to protect it. If I could not do that, I mean protect it & get a profit out of it, then I suppose I would give up. After all I have a family to feed like the rest of us.

I know from personal experience that many of our younger people (my children of whom I've spoke at great lengths to about this) do not understand the cause & effect of stealing intellectual property. Do it enough and the effect is a decline in quality.

The best anyone can be at anything, is highly motivated by money $$$$. And computer games fit nicely into that statement.

That is why most of the greatest creations the world has ever seen has come out of the United States. The country has created a haven, for people to create & make a profit. That is being chipped away at today... but I digress.

UBISOFT has to make a profit in order to continue making games of the quality that the Silent Hunter series has given us. Obviously that profit is being threatened by thieves, thus we now have DRM..

I strongly suggest that you support creativity. Buy it! the art, music, games, etc...and give the maker a good price for it, or else, if the artist can't make a profit, ...we all loose, and games like SH5 get a anti-theft collar like DRM or worse they may go the way of the dodo bird

[zakarpatska]

Originally Posted by Buck_O

That is why most of the greatest creations the world has ever seen has come out of the United States. The country has created a haven, for people to create & make a profit. That is being chipped away at today... but I digress.

Which creations were you thinking of? On my short list for the greatest inventions (creations?) would be the car (Germany, 1880s), the steam engine (England, 1690s), the train (England 1780s), the electronic digital computer (England 1943), nuclear fission (Italy, 1932), telescope (Italy 1600s), screw propeller (Austria-Hungary, 1820s), Diesel engine (Germany, 1850s), piano (Italy, 1690s), reinforced concrete (France, 1850s), steel (Turkey or China, roughly 2000 B.C.E), etc. I guess it depends on what you consider greatest or what qualifies as a creation.

One the Americans I admire, Jonas Salk, does not seem to have had profit as his primary motivation though he gave to the human race more than most. Something to think about.


Perhaps you were thinking of Al Gore and the Internet?

"We know that requiring a permanent online connection is not a happy point for a lot of PC gamers, but it is necessary for the system to work."

Looks like PC Gamer got stuck with a lemon. The usual 2D suited type regurgitating the DRM 'official' position just like a lackey.

Its all about the system boys....sod the customers.

Nutters!

[Buck_O]

Originally Posted by zakarpatska

Which creations were you thinking of? On my short list for the greatest inventions (creations?) would be the car (Germany, 1880s), the steam engine (England, 1690s), the train (England 1780s), the electronic digital computer (England 1943), nuclear fission (Italy, 1932), telescope (Italy 1600s), screw propeller (Austria-Hungary, 1820s), Diesel engine (Germany, 1850s), piano (Italy, 1690s), reinforced concrete (France, 1850s), steel (Turkey or China, roughly 2000 B.C.E), etc. I guess it depends on what you consider greatest or what qualifies as a creation.

One the Americans I admire, Jonas Salk, does not seem to have had profit as his primary motivation though he gave to the human race more than most. Something to think about.


Perhaps you were thinking of Al Gore and the Internet?

Ok, perhaps im a little bias, with my statement, please .. don't link me in anyway with Al Gore though, im not a fan of the man in any way

there is one great invention that the world has to bow down to that came from the U.S.

Mary Phelps Jacob, 1913...........The Bra.......

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Buck_O

UBISOFT has to make a profit in order to continue making games of the quality that the Silent Hunter series has given us. Obviously that profit is being threatened by thieves, thus we now have DRM..

I strongly suggest that you support creativity. Buy it! the art, music, games, etc...and give the maker a good price for it, or else, if the artist can't make a profit, ...we all loose, and games like SH5 get a anti-theft collar like DRM or worse they may go the way of the dodo bird

I'm not against Ubisoft making a profit, nor am i against them protecting their software.

But what I am against is buying a product that I can not use or causes so much annoyance thats its almost unusable.

If Ubi's servers are down im unable to use my product, if the server goes down while playing i could posibly lose my time spent playing since i last saved. And if i decide to play again in 5 years time, ubi's server may not be there to allow me to install the product.

[IanC]

You know, I'm actually starting to wish that SH5 would come out on console. I mean, it would remove the whole DRM thing right.
Naww nevermind, I'm talking crazy, I need some sleep...