SH5 online DRM and Modding tools

[mookiemookie]

All game files are not on the Ubisoft servers. The game will create a local file when you save your game. That file will then be synchronized with your save files on the Ubi server. This will not affect modding.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

All game files are not on the Ubisoft servers. The game will create a local file when you save your game. That file will then be synchronized with your save files on the Ubi server. This will not affect modding.

...apart, presumably, from preventing programs from changing the save
game files like SH3Commander does.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

All game files are not on the Ubisoft servers. The game will create a local file when you save your game. That file will then be synchronized with your save files on the Ubi server. This will not affect modding.

That's not the question asked. Will OSP affect ownership of the mods themselves?

Modders are entitled to copyright protection of their ideas as much as UBISoft is entitled to protection of theirs. Files that are uploaded to Facebook become property of Facebook, do mods saved at UBISoft become property of UBISoft rather than the Modders?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

do mods saved at UBISoft become property of UBISoft rather than the Modders?

How is a mod going to be saved at Ubi when all they're syncing is the local savegame file?

True or false: Saved games are stored on UBISoft's server.

True or false: Any modder needs saved games to test their mods.

True or false: Any modded saved game will contain the modded files.

True or false: Currently Modders retain intellectual property rights of their mods by copyright and by ownership of the original source files.

If UBISoft comes into possession of these source files via a saved game, can they claim copyright ownership as Facebook can when a person saves content there?

This is not about modability rather it's a question as to whether OSP MIGHT provide UBISoft with a method of acquiring the creative content of the modding community for free.

I have enormous respect for the SH modding community and would really hate to see any of them get burned by corporate exploitation of ambiguous Internet copyright issues.

[Mikhayl]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

True or false: Any modder needs saved games to test their mods.

True or false: Any modded saved game will contain the modded files.

False for maybe 99% of mods.

I don't see Ubi ever using mods for commercial purpose without permission to do so, I imagine the backlash would be monumental.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

True or false: Saved games are stored on UBISoft's server.

True

Originally Posted by Randomizer

True or false: Any modder needs saved games to test their mods.

False. Some mods can be tested by simply loading the game, going into the tutorial, and seeing if the texture looks right. No saved game needed for many mods. Sound, graphics, texture, menus, etc.

Originally Posted by Randomizer

True or false: Any modded saved game will contain the modded files.

False. The save game contains data about what's going on. The mod files are completely separate from the saved game.

Originally Posted by Randomizer

True or false: Currently Modders retain intellectual property rights of their mods by copyright and by ownership of the original source files.

False. You do not own the original files. They are owned by Ubisoft. You simply have a license to use them. You can't go to a bookstore, pick up a book, cross out a couple words on a few pages, insert new words, and claim the book as your own original work.

Originally Posted by Randomizer

If UBISoft comes into possession of these source files via a saved game, can they claim copyright ownership as Facebook can when a person saves content there?

This is not about modability rather it's a question as to whether OSP MIGHT provide UBISoft with a method of acquiring the creative content of the modding community for free.

Statements based on incorrect assumptions of how OSP and saved games work.

If you can provide evidence that OSP will be sending modded game files to Ubi, that changes the situation completely. If you can show that OSP sniffs around on your hard drive to see what you have installed, they've lied to us about OSP and how it works.

Does anyone know the ownership situation of modded files? I'm curious as to that, and I've heard conflicting opinions. I'll have to research that later.

[THE_MASK]

The devs said we could mod sh5 . Why would they lie ?

I was just asking the questions, my concerns were only in regard to protection of the creative property of the modders. Thanks.