sh5 pdf campaign overview here

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

If I read and understand the last couple of paragraphs right I can alter the war.

If thats true, i have problems with that on a multiple levels. I'll bite my lip and stop there.

[d@rk51d3]

The kind of campaign I've been waiting for, for a long time.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If thats true, i have problems with that on a multiple levels. I'll bite my lip and stop there.

Hey, man, did you know your lip is bleeding? You been biting it a lot or sumpin'?

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, I find the 'change the war with a uboat' a bit weird. Are we re-writing history via a game?

[The Enigma]

Wasn't this 'issue' also mentioned in "SH5 Dev Team Interview" ?

[Sailor Steve]

As I've said, I played LucasArts' Their Finest Hour: The Battle Of Britain and you could play a campaign on either side. I helped Germany invade England twice, then went back to the single missions.

Influence parts of the war? Sure. Change the outcome? Not a chance. But everything I've been told indicates that we'll get more of the former and hopefully none of the latter.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

As I've said, I played LucasArts' Their Finest Hour: The Battle Of Britain and you could play a campaign on either side. I helped Germany invade England twice, then went back to the single missions.

Influence parts of the war? Sure. Change the outcome? Not a chance. But everything I've been told indicates that we'll get more of the former and hopefully none of the latter.

Influence the war I'm good with. Change the outcome...not a chance as stated.

[MercurySeven]

Well, you would have to be one hell of an uboot ace to win the war until '43.There is a limitation to how many ships per refill a sub can sink ...

I assume the outcome in certain battles can be influenced (like Malta) which might give you certain advantages, but the overall outcome is kind of hard to turn with the US and the SU pushing through.

Turning the war with subs would mean knocking out England (preferably before the US enters the war) and doing so would mean first cutting her of from her supplies. That only works when the numbers of uboots is right and the commanders are real aces. Since you are the only one that "changes history" here and certain aspects like sonar, radar and the enigma problem remain, the possible impact on the overall supplies is rather limited. *think*

[Hartmann]

The war was lost for some causes, for example change the tactics during the battle of england, no enough U-boats in 1939-40, invading russia and delay the advance to moskow and more.

U-boats only are unable to won the war

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If thats true, i have problems with that on a multiple levels. I'll bite my lip and stop there.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sorry, I find the 'change the war with a uboat' a bit weird. Are we re-writing history via a game?

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Influence the war I'm good with. Change the outcome...not a chance as stated.

They need to clear this up. Tho I doubt their makeing a Fantasy subsim.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

They need to clear this up. Tho I doubt their makeing a Fantasy subsim.

OK.. fine.. I'll bite.

Too many people in this community, are so enthralled with the uboat romance, they are completely out of touch with historical perspective.

I'll give 3 quick examples.

1.) A patrol report someone wrote about U-181 during a wolves of war campaign some years ago. This user wrote in such a context that they were PROUDLY and DEFIANTLY flying the swaztika to the end.

2.) Another user putting the smiling happy german captain with the nazi flag superimposed in the background.

3.) another user posting a pic like this:
http://yoshi.backupot.com/Silent%20H...d%20Statue.png

So enthralled with the uboat romance, that the meaning behind that symbol has been completely erased. Nevermind the regieme, nor the what transpired in the war, nor the allied men, killed in the atlantic. No, instead just look at these poor uboat men in their epic struggle, these are the good guys!

The way people lament about them, you'd swear people wish they had won! And if you can change the outcome of the war in this dynamic campaign, now they finally have that chance. This is also the type of schitt neo nazi's, and any others who idolize the 3rd reich would jump at.

Don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with a Uboat sim, in and of itself, but too many people here take it entirely too far. I played SH3 for a few years, and i always tried to be mindful of the regieme behind it all. And here's a confesson. I, like other uboat fans, had at one point lost perspective. I realized that, when one day, towards the end of a career game, i found myself looking at the swaztika as a flag of a friendly nation. That bothered me alot, and it made me realize just how out of touch with reality this uboat romance is.

SO yea, if you can change the outcome of the war, i have problems with that on many levels.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Hey, man, did you know your lip is bleeding? You been biting it a lot or sumpin'?

Don't encourage me. I'm trying to be good. All i'm going to say, is if you can change the outcome of the war, this game will be a history revisionists wet dream come true.