The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Entirely sensible view when playing a MMO.

But a SINGLE PLAYER game?

What im saying is I lost all my save data from SH3, CoD, and many other games, the only game that I didnt lost my save data from was the mmo, which was a DRM game.

I spent 100s of hours playing SH3, everything was lost. I do not like games that save to my HDD, hence why Im a fan of DRM. It saved my ass in guild wars. I dont know anyone that doesnt have a constant connection to the internet so that argument makes no sense to me. I built a new machine, installed the game again, right back to where I left off on the other machine. So much better than the way games used to be.

Only exceptions I think are people on dialup, which is still nuts to me, there's so few of them now that game dev's dont worry about them anymore, and thats how it should be, things need to keep moving forward. And people that use their laptops in hotels, and really, how many of them are playing SH on a laptop in a hotel room?

[johan_d]

I also lost 100's of hours of SH3 save's but not of a faulty HD but because SH3 saved the saves corrupted!
First make it saving a real save, before moving it to a server. Doesnt matter where it is, it corrupts by itself wherever it is stored.
Saves while submerged anyone ?

[Gabucino]

Strange. I've just arrived to preorder. Thankfully now I know better.

I've been through this online check ordeal with Paradox+VP Ltd's strategy games. Now I can't play some of them because I've changed my Mac more than 2 times (checked on start), and they refused to issue new codes to me, even banned me from their forum for being outraged - therefore I have to use manual quirks to play aforementioned games.

Also, Windows 7 has this Microsoft Games subsystem (gameux.dll) that requires internet connection, and falls in an endless 100% cpu usage loop if there isn't one, forcing me to start the game again (now it would start), then use the Task Manager to quit the first instance. Yes, this is the case with SH3, as my gamer PC does not have any net connection, why should it.

Maybe I'll buy SH5 after spending 1 year with the cracked version, and still being satisfied.

[cuervo111]

Originally Posted by trenken

What im saying is I lost all my save data from SH3, CoD, and many other games, the only game that I didnt lost my save data from was the mmo, which was a DRM game.

I spent 100s of hours playing SH3, everything was lost. I do not like games that save to my HDD, hence why Im a fan of DRM. It saved my ass in guild wars. I dont know anyone that doesnt have a constant connection to the internet so that argument makes no sense to me. I built a new machine, installed the game again, right back to where I left off on the other machine. So much better than the way games used to be.

Only exceptions I think are people on dialup, which is still nuts to me, there's so few of them now that game dev's dont worry about them anymore, and thats how it should be, things need to keep moving forward. And people that use their laptops in hotels, and really, how many of them are playing SH on a laptop in a hotel room?

Trenken, I think you are confusing DRM with a feature you happen to find useful. They can implement save games on a server, optionally, for those who want to do it. Hey, I'd like that too.

DRM is about artificially imposing limitations in the use of the software you paid for.

There have been lots of examples of people right here that may not be able to play SH5 because of this DRM, i don't think it's fair just to ignore their issues because things should move forward. This is going backwards, they have the technology to run the game, but they won't be able to do it just becouse of some genius' DRM idea!!

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by trenken

What im saying is I lost all my save data from SH3, CoD, and many other games, the only game that I didnt lost my save data from was the mmo, which was a DRM game.

What you need to understand is that:
DRM A ≠ DRM B
You keep saying DRM as if there was only one kind of DRM.

Furthermore, the constant connection requierement for an MMO is different from the requirements for a single player game.
Can the MMO requierements seen as a DRM scheme? Certainly.
Can it function without a constant connection? No!

Different kind of games, different requirements.

I spent 100s of hours playing SH3, everything was lost. I do not like games that save to my HDD, hence why Im a fan of DRM. It saved my ass in guild wars.

Again, different kind of games, different requirements.

A server side save would not have changed a thing. The saves were corrupted by the game not by your hardware.

I dont know anyone that doesnt have a constant connection to the internet so that argument makes no sense to me. I built a new machine, installed the game again, right back to where I left off on the other machine. So much better than the way games used to be.

Only exceptions I think are people on dialup, which is still nuts to me, there's so few of them now that game dev's dont worry about them anymore, and thats how it should be, things need to keep moving forward. And people that use their laptops in hotels, and really, how many of them are playing SH on a laptop in a hotel room?

I know plenty of people without a permanent connection. Not only here in the US, but also abroad. And I do use one of my laptops also when traveling abroad. But thanks to people that bend over backwards to every new technological advancement, regardless of what kind of brain dead idea it is, we get stuff like the OSP or whatever it is called.

Rather then saying " Suck it up, because I can play and that is all I care about", you should sit back and think about what is happening.

In a niche like subsims, even 20% less sale has a big impact. Games like that live by their communities, and word of mouth advertisement has a big impact on who is going to buy a product or not.

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by trenken

Only exceptions I think are people on dialup, which is still nuts to me, there's so few of them now that game dev's dont worry about them anymore, and thats how it should be, things need to keep moving forward. And people that use their laptops in hotels, and really, how many of them are playing SH on a laptop in a hotel room?

Who gives two cents if it makes sense to you, that's your life and your circumstances. Don't be so self-centered. At least have a little common decency and respect the life and circumstances of other people.

I want data to back up this factual assertion of there being so few people on dialup. You're talking out of your *** as far as I'm concerned.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Who gives two cents if it makes sense to you, that's your life and your circumstances. Don't be so self-centered. At least have a little common decency and respect the life and circumstances of other people.

I want data to back up this factual assertion of there being so few people on dialup. You're talking out of your *** as far as I'm concerned.

http://webupon.com/web-talk/dial-up-...ming-obsolete/

That will tell you all you need to know. If you're using dial up, well thats fine, but the world is not going to wait for you to upgrade. Noone is insulting anyone that has it, im simply stating a fact that is going away, game dev's are helping to facilitate this. They've been trying to do that for years and it's getting to the point now where you cant even play single player games without a good connection.

People used to love record albums too you know, and guess what, tapes and then CDs still came out and killed the albums off. Now those people are reduced to having to search vintage shops for their albums. There's where you're going to be in a couple years searching for offline only games when noone is msking them anymore.

The same is happening now with games. Not quite sure what is so difficult to understand about that. If you dont have a constant internet connection, well you have 3 options, complain about it on a message board which will not solve anything, find a way to get a constant connection, or find another hobby.

Thats the way its going to be. This campaign to try and halt the progression of technology is a waste of time. All games will eventually be online only whether you like it or not. Ive got a close friend that blames the world for all his problems, I cant relate to that. Change is going to happen, its happening with SH5, so im not going to complain about it, ill figure out a way to work with it.

[BulSoldier]

When people stop buying games because they req constant connection to internet the makers will reconsider.Furthermore the drm wont increase the sales, it will probably decrease them because many wont buy games because of it.
So esentially more ppl will stop play games at all, the pirates will keep playing illegaly and the publisher will have smaller profits.
Sorry if my logic is spoiled but thats the way i see things.The inclusion of drm wont make many ppl buy games, but will make many STOP buying them.

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by trenken

http://webupon.com/web-talk/dial-up-...ming-obsolete/

That will tell you all you need to know.

Wow, answer a request for data to back up your "no one uses dial up" with an opinion piece about how no one should use dial up.

Overachieve, trenken, you're doin' a heckuva job!

[trenken]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Wow, answer a request for data to back up your "no one uses dial up" with an opinion piece about how no one should use dial up.

Overachieve, trenken, you're doin' a heckuva job!

Say what you want, you can pretend all day that single player only games will never need a constant connection, or that everyone is still using dial up, you're simply wrong.

But whatever helps you sleep at night. I know in 2 years you'll be one of those sad saps still looking for offline games. It's a thing of the past, its your problem alone if you cant accept the new trend. Noone is going to write any sad songs about people still using dial up, sorry.

[BulSoldier]

But what about ppl that for one reason or another have no internet connection at the moment.I may be dont need internet at the moment, may be i just want to play some games on the pc and dont need the internet to read forums,news or whatever.Why i have to pay Internet provider in order to play i game i bought ?

[trenken]

Originally Posted by BulSoldier

But what about ppl that for one reason or another have no internet connection at the moment.I may be dont need internet at the moment, may be i just want to play some games on the pc and dont need the internet to read forums,news or whatever.Why i have to pay Internet provider in order to play i game i bought ?

Like I said, you want technology to just stop progressing for you? That's absurd. Some people will left behind by technology. It's always been that way.

What about all those people that were still using rabbit ears to get a cable signal when it all switched to digital last year? They got left behind, it's their problem to deal with now.

[simsurfer]

[KG_Jag]

Does the dead horse represent some posters or the game?

[jclasper]

I notice how Trenken always avoids answering questions and continually defends DRM. I am one of the boring old farts and have been playing games since pong I have a very stable always on connection But no desire to play online it just does not interest me. If it did then i would not be against a connection to play the game however this is not the case I want to be able to play a game in single player mode that goes not mean i want a publisher to tell me oh yes we will let you play |It is not for them to decide it is for me. I agree piracy is a bad thing and something needs to be done but these draconian measures just make me sick of being treated like a criminal why is it that the honest majority have to be made to suffer for the sins of the minority and its not just with games its like this in real life just look at the security measures taken by governments curtailing our freedom
In Europe we have the human rights act In the US the constitution they both give us the right in our respective areas to free speech and not to have govt interfere in our lives so why should we roll over and let a corperation invade our privacy just to be able to play a game
If we all beleved as trenken then the end result is 24/7 monitoring by govt and big business