No Specials for SUBSIM?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

You act as if the subsim community made up the lions share of the consumer market.

Indeed. We are niche within a niche.

[Nickolas]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Indeed. We are niche within a niche.

isn't that what simulators are about?
otherwise we would be playing battlestations midway* or... Call of Duty**.



*not that it's a bad game... i enjoy it, but it's not what i would call a simulation.
**idem * .

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Nickolas

isn't that what simulators are about?
otherwise we would be playing battlestations midway* or... Call of Duty**.



*not that it's a bad game... i enjoy it, but it's not what i would call a simulation.
**idem * .

The Silent Hunter series has never been what I would consider a series of hardcore simulators in the tradition of Falcon, Steel Beasts and the Janes/Sonaylists simulations. Rather, the series has always been more about flash and the overall gaming experience. I would group Silent Hunter with the two games that you had mentioned.

[Nickolas]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

The Silent Hunter series has never been what I would consider a series of hardcore simulators in the tradition of Falcon, Steel Beasts and the Janes/Sonaylists simulations. Rather, the series has always been more about flash and the overall gaming experience. I would group Silent Hunter with the two games that you had mentioned.

i never talked about hardcore sims, but i think this is more than just black or white. There is at least one shade of grey.

hardcore sims .... "simplified" sims (like sh3)... games (like Battlestations...)

i honestly believe that grouping anything other than ultra hardcore sims as "mere games" is an over simplification.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Nickolas

i never talked about hardcore sims, but i think this is more than just black or white. There is at least one shade of grey.

hardcore sims .... "simplified" sims (like sh3)... games (like Battlestations...)

i honestly believe that grouping anything other than ultra hardcore sims as "mere games" is an over simplification.

When you say 'simulator' in bold in a place like SubSim, one may immediately assume that you are talking about hardcore simulation. However, this is little more than semantics. If you noticed I said that I did not consider the Silent Hunter series to be a hardcore simulation series. I did not call it a 'game'.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Question... how would one go and do a more hardcore subsim, where one man behind a screen has to steer an entire submarine?

SHIII * is about taking command of a sub, and as such is a pretty good simulation of it. Can be improved by adding systems and enabling options, of course. But a game it isnt - games can be played without any knowledge of the subject. Sims need some klnowledge before the player can taked control. Only Hardcore Sims such as certain flight simulations (and payware addons?) need you to read a handbook, and follow procedures for things to work.

and as a kaleun, you do not need to know the knobs and switches and levers to start a diesel engine...

[urfisch]

the thread drifts from its destination...

simulation is simulation. if hardcore or not...it needs to have a good feeling, that "simulates" the theme of the game. so gameplay is not just for noobs, to be easy or hard. it simply answers the question itself. simulation is simulation. and if the simulation is not deep enough, its no simulation.

sh5 might not be that deep, as it needs to be, to be called a simulation. so we have the case here. no one knows, what the gameplay really looks like. nothing is answered. so it seems to be like many are frightened of: no simulation.

no more questions.

[Das Gespenst]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

and as a kaleun, you do not need to know the knobs and switches and levers to start a diesel engine...

I wish....