When will you buy the game?

[The General]

@Carotio and Kaptainleutant

I think you two should play the game before you claim it's a half a game. The Devs have said there is way more content and depth than ever before and I believe it! It'll be very hard to make it to May 1943 without dying alot, it'll keep you going for months and that's not including Multiplayer. A game that keeps you entertained for months is all that you can realistically hope for.

@Lanzfield

Each sequel has gotten better, to claim otherwise is asinine.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by The General

@Carotio and Kaptainleutant

I think you two should play the game before you claim it's a half a game. The Devs have said there is way more content and depth than ever before and I believe it!

I saw a preview of the game at the Copenhagen Meet, so I KNOW there's new content, and I liked what I saw. No doubt there.

But still, focusing entirely on ONE uboat type still makes it valid to call it half a game. And if a substantial large group of the potential customers think that way, I would say, the producer should really rethink the strategies and investments and maybe consider a longer development time.

Then let me ask you: what if they truely said: Because of numerous constructive criticism, we have decided to postpone the release till December 2010 to add more content. We're going to build in the types II and IX too.
Would you survive it if you then had to wait longer and pay a little more, because they had to spend more money for the development?

I think I would, and I also think others would.
And I sincerely think, they would gain many more customers paying the full price.

[The General]

40 Euros is nothing for software of this calibre. Look at what people pay for the average PS3 game! Watch a few reviews for these PS3 games and you'll realise that the mojrity can be completed within a day! SH5 will keep you entertained for months!!! All for a lousy 40 euros. Other U-boat types will either be added by expansion Packs or by the Modding Community. Go play SH3 after playing SH5 and you'll find it looks very dated. You will simply never play SH3 again.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Price is not an issue. I am simply exercising my right as a consumer to not purchase a product that will not meet my expectations. What's the big deal?

edit: That's not to say I won't ever buy it. I probably will, just a year down the line, depending on what content is available at that point.

[The General]

I don't understand how you can afford to be picky? There are no other subsims in this league! If Ubisoft don't make a profit with this there are NO MORE SUBSIMS! I wish there were other competitors out there forcing Ubisoft to raise their game, but there isn't.

[Kapitanleutnant]

If Ubisoft don't make a profit with this there are NO MORE SUBSIMS!

Yeah... not so much. Silent Hunter is not "the genre", as I've said elsewhere. It is the dominant franchise in a very niche market. If the SH series folded tomorrow, another developer would eventually move in to exploit the gap. It might take 5 years, it might take 10, but it would happen without question.
I'm not prepared to reinforce bad habits on Ubisoft's part out of some sense of loyalty or obligation.
And you know, Silent Hunter 3 is still here, it's still incredible, and it's still being actively modded. Why, just take a look in the mods forum - right now there's work being done on a fully modelled interior engine room! In 2010! Incredible! I don't feel any pressing need to downgrade to a game featuring only Type VIIs and 2/3rds of the war. I'm sure Ubi won't miss my £45 either.

[MaciejK]

Originally Posted by The General

I don't understand how you can afford to be picky? There are no other subsims in this league! If Ubisoft don't make a profit with this there are NO MORE SUBSIMS! I wish there were other competitors out there forcing Ubisoft to raise their game, but there isn't.

Haha, now that sounds like a UbiPropaganda Dept:

"If we make no profit with our new release of SH 2 and 1/2 we shall never release a subsim again, and you will have to play SH3 and 4 till the end of eternity and one day longer!!!"

Sure, there are no other subsims in this league. But does that mean that Sh5 should be bought no matter what? Even if it turns out to be a half-finished console product?

And I canceled my preorder as well. I've learned my lesson with SH3 and 4. Until modders really repaired the games they were really betas.

[Apos]

Originally Posted by The General

40 Euros is nothing for software of this calibre. Look at what people pay for the average PS3 game! Watch a few reviews for these PS3 games and you'll realise that the mojrity can be completed within a day! SH5 will keep you entertained for months!!! All for a lousy 40 euros. Other U-boat types will either be added by expansion Packs or by the Modding Community. Go play SH3 after playing SH5 and you'll find it looks very dated. You will simply never play SH3 again.

Well maybe for you 40 euro its nothing. Here where I live it is a lot. I dont blame developer but my goverment and currency rules. believe 40 euro it is 170-180 PLN = 1/10 of average salary. I believe in your country 40 euro is about 1/80 of average salary.

Anyway as some guys said above. I wont pay full price for console product for PC.

[JScones]

@Kapitanleutnant & Iron Budokan: Agreed to all posts.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by The General

SH5 will keep you entertained for months!!! ...
Go play SH3 after playing SH5 and you'll find it looks very dated. You will simply never play SH3 again.

How can you KNOW this for a game that nobody has seen? I played SH4 for about 3 weeks before shelving it almost permanently as a bad joke. I didn't like the graphical "upgrade", the GUI and crew managment was less than optimal and honestly the game in either U-boat or Fleet boat guises was for me a real let down. Luckily I didn't spend the $99 that it cost when it was first released here.

SH2 I played for even less time because of the dog it was.

SH1 and SH3 on the other hand I've had months of enjoyment from each game.

IF SH5 holds any interest for me and I like playing it, then I get months of enjoyment from it, only THEN will we KNOW that the investment was worthwhile or not.

[JScones]

I also like the hypocrisy of statements like "I think you two should play the game before you claim it's a half a game." and "Shouldn't you at least play the game first" followed by "SH5 will keep you entertained for months!!!" and "Go play SH3 after playing SH5 and you'll find it looks very dated. You will simply never play SH3 again.". Uh huh. Spoken from a true source of authority.

[Reece]

When will you buy the game?

Probably not until after release and read others opinion/comments here on Subsim, certainly doesn't look promising, after SH4 + UBM comes the old saying "Once bitten twice shy"!

[Carotio]

Now that March 4th is the official release date, and the content of the collectors edition revealed officially, I'm going to bump this thread to ask you again. For those of you having not voted yet.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by The General

@Carotio and Kaptainleutant
I think you two should play the game before you claim it's a half a game.

One doesn't need to play it to know that two of the three most common boat types are missing, and that the entire last third of the war is simply not there.

And what makes it worse is that Ubi are touting these things as "features".
If they'd just came out and said "sorry guys, we didn't have the time or resources to do this" I'd be much less offended. Instead they're trying to act like this was their big plan and that by cutting features they can focus on what's left - not that they can even get the Type VII modelled correctly if the threads here are anything to go by.

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

And what makes it worse is that Ubi are touting these things as "features".
If they'd just came out and said "sorry guys, we didn't have the time or resources to do this" I'd be much less offended. Instead they're trying to act like this was their big plan and that by cutting features they can focus on what's left - not that they can even get the Type VII modelled correctly if the threads here are anything to go by.

This is my main concern as well. I spent last night wondering if I was too harsh yesterday when I learned the game was going to end in 1943. I decided, no, if anything I went way too easy on UBI.

If they had come out and said, "Guys, we simply don't have the money or the resources allocated to render the entire war, but this is what we've done, because we want to get at least one aspect right. Oh, and we do hope in the future we can have additional content to finish out the war. We can't make promises, but it is our fervent hope this will be done." Then, okay, I think a lot more people, including myself, would be onboard with that.

But that's not what they did.

They just came out and told a bunch of hardcore subsimmers, "Meh, the war is pretty much over in 1943 anyway so live with it." Instead of explaining the reason, they just blew it off like it wasn't important.

It wasn't what they did: cutting the game off in '43. If there were budgetary problems then we would all understand that. That's business. Get over it.

It's HOW they did it that rankles. It was their patronizing attitude in the interview that we're too ignorant to understand the war materiel dynamics of the Battle of the Atlantic that jerked my chain the wrong way. And, no, I'm not the only one who feels this way.