Religion of peace strikes again: Danish cartoonist intruder shot

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Originally Posted by Skybird

So you want to assume that I deserve death also because I speak out against Islam so unforgivingly, and call it a primitive, racist barbary and do not duck away from it's hilarious, inhumane claims...? Have I coming it to me, too? Hell, I even was engaged in court action against it, and we were successful - must all my family now being wiped out in well-deserved revenge for my arrogant offending of Islam's totalitarian glory ? Or would you take pleasure in seeing me being tortured to a slow death for being so unwilling to obey it's demand for power and influence?

No, no you got me all wrong mate! By saying he had it comming i meant that presenting such images to the public (i have seen quite few of them) is bound to provoke hostilities by islamists. Even if he did the same with jesus or budha, probably the same would have happened.
And by saying i wouldnt mind some TNT into BBC HQ is a way to say that im sick of how the media have a way toexaggerate events.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Morts

DF ? are you f*cking kidding me ? that group of wannabe nazis who think that the only criminals in denmark are the foreigners....

Not the only, but do the they have a higher crime rate or not?

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

No, no you got me all wrong mate! By saying he had it comming i meant that presenting such images to the public (i have seen quite few of them) is bound to provoke hostilities by islamists. Even if he did the same with jesus or budha, probably the same would have happened.

Over the years, I've seen plenty of cartoons that poked fun at the Pope(s). I've never yet seen or heard of an Opus Dei or Vatican hit squad going into action to knock them off afterward. At least not in this century.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Over the years, I've seen plenty of cartoons that poked fun at the Pope(s). I've never yet seen or heard of an Opus Dei or Vatican hit squad going into action to knock them off afterward. At least not in this century.

It happened in the past centuries though.
And Islamists today are like the christians were in the middle ages.
Except that today they stone you instead of burning you or drowning you to see if you're a witch and if you are then burn you.

And besides that, the image you show is nothing compared to one i saw some time ago showing Muhammad f*cking a goat...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

No, no you got me all wrong mate! By saying he had it comming i meant that presenting such images to the public (i have seen quite few of them) is bound to provoke hostilities by islamists.

And so...? no cartoons on Islam, please? The cartoons were not even very good, with the single exception of the one showing Muhammad's head as bomb, which makes great mockery of the violent, obsessive thinking of the man, and really illustrate nicely the nature of his thoughts. Jews, christians, atheists, polticians, unions, lefties, rightwingers, male, females - all of us are expected not to tick out when a joke is made about us or at our cost, or a cartoon is published about us. What freaking problem is there with Islam in Denmark and the West? If crowds of people get hysteric about it in far away muhammedan countries, I could not care less, if they get red faces and want to pump up their heads until they explode - okay, fine with me, the more do like that, the better - but in our own countries and home culture, with free speech, free press and free opinion guaranteed by our costitutuion, Islam either plays ball and lives by our cultural rules and standards and shuts up when claiming that it is more special than any other lobby group, or it packs it's damn unwanted things and gets the hell out of here - together with any other narcissistic fundamentalists, no matter their religious or pseudo-religious origin.

Even if he did the same with jesus or budha, probably the same would have happened.

Why do I doubt this... In fact much worse cartoons about the church gets printed regularly, and it makes no waves at all. Not to mention the extremly hateful, racist cartoons on Jews, also on Christians, that you can see in Muslim countries, in papers, even in TV shows for the kids. The danish cartoon on Muhammad - oh, what offence...! but a hundred times more malicious, racist stuff 20 minutes each day on children'S TV in Egypt - no porblem, it's just about those freaking Jews, and those dhimmi Christians, you see.

And by saying i wouldnt mind some TNT into BBC HQ is a way to say that im sick of how the media have a way to exaggerate events.

And what do they exaggerate here? the defence of free speech, free opinion and free press? Or the story of an armed assassin trying to kill the cartoon author? Or haveing printed the cartoons in a clear speakout against stupid dhimmi-politicians who were all to willing to fall back when Islamic nations demanded them to cut free press in the West?

Our freedom should always, always, always be a million times more precious to us than the claims of some narcissistic bloodthirsty suckers from the stoneage that we should pay respect to their idiotic, inhumane ideology and cut our freedoms in order to not "offend" it.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

And Islamists today are like the christians were in the middle ages.

Ta-dah! Something we agree on and part of the problem in a global society.

[Skybird]

A lovely one about the church.



The artist of this has even had public exhibitions with works like this, in museums and public building. Many of her shots are being done inside churches and monasteries.

No violent clashes in the street. No death threats. No nation-wide hysteria.

In fact, most media and most people did not even care.

Originally Posted by Morts

DF ? are you f*cking kidding me ? that group of wannabe nazis who think that the only criminals in denmark are the foreigners....

25 seats, and growing.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

It happened in the past centuries though.
And Islamists today are like the christians were in the middle ages.

Which is meant to say - what? That we are one thousand years ahead of them and have left this primitive stage behind?

And besides that, the image you show is nothing compared to one i saw some time ago showing Muhammad f*cking a goat...

Oh my dear, how shocking!

If it would end religious wars and bring tolerance to all mankind, I would happily f##k that f##king goat myself, wave a hat and groan like a donkey and smile like the winner of the jackpot all the time!

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

25 seats, and growing.

thats just sad..but i really hope you're kidding about voting DF....
if you're not, well, then i feel sorry for you

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Even if he did the same with jesus or budha, probably the same would have happened.
And by saying i wouldnt mind some TNT into BBC HQ is a way to say that im sick of how the media have a way toexaggerate events.

Well, we have had this discussion here before, we can safely say that the Vatican has not ordered a hit on Madonna.




The problem as I see it, (and several people here have pointed out), we are dealing with two very different cultures. Western culture allows people the freedom to be rude to religon, to a certain point. Islamic culture does not tolerate this. The question is, do we as westerners allow the islamic people to dictate to us what we can say?

[kiwi_2005]

The cartoonist is an outright fool He should of known better with the islamic faith that if you mock it expect to be put on their wanted list and murdered sometime in the near future. Its no different than if i went and drawed a cartoon mocking some MAfia mobsters mother making her look like a slut or something. What would happen? To islamic extremists their god & prophets is everything you cannot go round insulting their beliefs and expect to not be done over for it. Mock the Christian god and a finger wont be lifted im talking modern times here, in some cases they have complained but never put out a hit on the persons. Mock the Islamic God or their prophets even and you better go into hiding...

Best dont go there.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Even if he did the same with jesus or budha, probably the same would have happened.

I don't know about drawings, but as far as I can tell the Buddhists are very forgiving of using explosives to deface their icons. They haven't hit the Taliban lately.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

The cartoonist is an outright fool He should of known better with the islamic faith that if you mock it expect to be put on their wanted list and murdered sometime in the near future. Its no different than if i went and drawed a cartoon mocking some MAfia mobsters mother making her look like a slut or something. What would happen? To islamic extremists their god & prophets is everything you cannot go round insulting their beliefs and expect to not be done over for it. Mock the Christian god and a finger wont be lifted im talking modern times here, in some cases they have complained but never put out a hit on the persons. Mock the Islamic God or their prophets even and you better go into hiding...

Best dont go there.

The White Rose were outright fools. They should have known better with the Nazi'S state that if you criticise it expect to be put on their wanted list and murdered sometime in the near future. Its no different than if i went and drawed a cartoon mocking Saddam's ego making him look like a sadomasochistic gay or something. What would happen? To tyrants like the Nazis, their ego, claim for power and control, and their reputation is everything, you cannot go round insulting their self-legitimation and expect to not be done over for it. Mock the democrats or the humanists, and a finger wont be lifted, im talking modern times here, in some cases they have complained but never put out a hit on the persons. Mock Hitler or Stalin or Saddam and you better go into hiding...

Best dont go there.

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You know what? I'm glad they nevertheless did.

Freedom does not get lost all in one step. It gets given up in many small steps, one by one, or gets taken away in many small steps, one by one.

and those giving it up because they do not dare to fight in it's defence, do not even deserve it, for they show that they do not know what to do with freedom anyway. If you think you have no use for freedom, you do not need freedom. Nothing wrong then to live as a slave.

Grovel like a dog, whimper like a dog - and get treated like a dog.

Ah - good time to watch Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" again. Another one of these fools who went to where they shouldn't have gone. Best watch it before it gets banned!

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Skybird - First of all, why this attitude?

Originally Posted by Skybird

And what do they exaggerate here? the defence of free speech, free opinion and free press?

There's no such thing as Freedom of press, speech and opinion in the media mate. Wikipedia has them but only because anyone can edit anything.
Truth doesnt sell.

Now, like i've said islam is just like christianity was in the middle ages.
You believe in it? Be proud. You dont? Keep it for yourself.
Its not that i dont agree with you. Its that i prefer not to mess with them unless i am given a really big gun.

Oh and lets not talk about claims of power and control cause that a big part of the US history. Too big to fit this forum.

Edit: But why did that 44% who voted for Hitler kept supporting him till the end? Maybe they knew something more than all of us? Than all the "great" historians?