How do you think it would be if...

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Germany and it's military was extremely advanced in both tactics and equipment during WWII.

I was already aware of this and I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Dowly

it would've been a bloody battle for anyone who would have attacked the Reich.

I agree with you only if nukes had never existed.

Originally Posted by Dowly

the fact that war couldnt be won with nukes

Here I can only disagree...

The only time nukes were used in a war, it ended it. (and it was not used in overwhelming quantities)

[Dowly]

Then we'll just have to disagree.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Méo

The only time nukes were used in a war, it ended it. (and it was not used in overwhelming quantities)

That was a different thing. Japan had already been beaten and the nukes were just a kick in the head (you know, like you see in a street fight, guy goes down and he still gets kicked around).

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Dowly

That was a different thing. Japan had already been beaten and the nukes were just a kick in the head (you know, like you see in a street fight, guy goes down and he still gets kicked around).

I undertsand and I was sure you would reply to me with this.

But Japan had lost several battles at sea but they were still controlling large parts of the Asian continent.

The thing is that if both U.S. & Germany had the nuclear weapon it would be a totally different debate.

At the beginning the U.S. were producing 3 bombs a month, it went on higher rates a bit later. And the atomic bomb was not absolutely vital to them, if it would have been (vital) I guess they would have put every effort in producing more.

There would have been 2 catastrophic things for the Germans:

1) Their major cities could have been struck.

2) It would have been impossible for them to reply with a such magnitude, not even close!!!

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Méo

I undertsand and I was sure you would reply to me with this.

But Japan had lost several battles at sea but they were still controlling large parts of the Asian continent.

Japan might have controlled large parts of Asia, but that was only because large parts of it were not worth controlling except for the vital areas, which were either undel Allied control or bypassed and helpless. Japan has also been subjected to an overwhelming Soviet invasion in Manchuria on August 9th, which was arguably almost or as important to their decision to surrender as the Atomic bombs were.

Also don't forget that Japan was utterly starved by the submarine war, constantly firebombed from the air in raids which were much more devastating than both of the A-Bombs, and raided with impunity by carrier-based aircraft. Not to mention the fact that it's fleet was utterly destroyed and it's air power was practically non-existant (And nearly useless due to lack of fuel).