Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

[AVGWarhawk]

Skybird, a test for you:

http://csccc.fcpp.org/question.php?csquestion_id=1

You just have illustrated the general problem of ours in your very first sentence of your post. You want a good life, the party going on, and nobody disturbing the good mood. But the american/Western way of life that is in formidable waste of material wealth and natural ressources, cannot be maintained forever. The American way of life is nothign special, it is no natural law engraved in stone. It is an excess, and that is true for the whole Western culture of the modern. And even with, far far more modest living standards I have very severe doubts that the panet could maintain a global population of 7 billion if all these people would share that already lowered way of life.

So, this is Americas fault? Neal did not illustrate your point of "who cares". He only said it forms an opinion after reading page after page on warming/cooling or whatever it might be this week. I can show you page after page for cooling but a blind eye is on these pages as you are buying into this warming, the end of mankind and the world as we know it diatribe. Have you looked at articles concerning cooling? Articles on earth cycles?

[AVGWarhawk]

Skybird or anyone interested:

Report on the corruption with global warming. (click on the PDF file for report)

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/co...corrupted.html

[Rockin Robbins]

There have been vast periods of time in Earth's history when the polar ice caps did not exist at all! The planet was much warmer than it is today. Life flourished.

For several instances, the last being about 12,000 years ago, severe and sudden global cooling caused the icecaps to reform and glaciers extend all the way down the Indiana and Ohio in the US, covering half of Europe. The planet was much colder than it is today. Life flourished.

Today's climate drift, if real (our database is pitifully short as human records date only back to the middle to late 19th century in metropolitan areas, later in others), is well within the normal parameters of Earth's temperature range and no cause for alarm. For every catastrophic effect receiving gleeful publicity and hand wringing, there will be one, perhaps more, beneficial effects which have no highly motivated press agents right now.

"Global warming," "climate change," whatever you want to call it is a political, not a scientific issue. Science is merely curious. That is good. Politicians will never let a crisis, real or imagined, go to waste in pursuit of their agendas.

It is entirely possible to assemble a library of books agreeing with your preconceived attitude toward the goodness of mankind, the dark possibilites for the future and the inherent evil of non-socialist thought. However, assembling such a library is no substitute for valid evaluation.

I could easily assemble a library of books seeking to prove NASA never reached the moon.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, a test for you:

http://csccc.fcpp.org/question.php?csquestion_id=1

Warhawk, please...

So, this is Americas fault? Neal did not illustrate your point of "who cares". He only said it forms an opinion after reading page after page on warming/cooling or whatever it might be this week. I can show you page after page for cooling but a blind eye is on these pages as you are buying into this warming, the end of mankind and the world as we know it diatribe. Have you looked at articles concerning cooling? Articles on earth cycles?

Yes, I have. and I found it often
- serious data taken out of context or not given in completeness;
- pseudo-scientific claims;
- manipulative in narrowing timespan of awareness to such short leveols that longterm conseqeunces got ignored;
- sources being dubious, to put it mildy;
- ignoring existing, maybe even existing-since-long explanations for let's say paradoxical effects (like for exaple the partial, local forkming of new ice in one part of the antarctic - what already in the late 70s or early 80s have been predicted in case of ice caps melting.

For these and other reasons I refuse to debate on whether there is a man-made sifgnificant climate change taking place or not. I cannot take this discussion serious anymore, like I also do not take serious a debate on how to compare the reasonability of evolution and that of creationism - as if it has any, or to compare ratio and religion - as if there is anything that could be compared. This kind of debate to me is just distracting, trying to buy time, to delay action and to protect the status quo that is quite profitable for the current establishment that is catching the cream from leaving things as they are.

We can talk on how to adapt to the already happening changes, now and in the future. we can talk on details of - yes, incomplete - climate models and their prediction span.

But we cannot talk on the issue of these changes taking place when I do not only read about it, but experience it in my own lifespan, with my very own senses, and media input by trend just confirms what I see, read and feel. That debate is pointless, and since quite some time now. It is a historic regression.

Tip of the day: the socalled Copenhagen Diagnosis has just been released. Hint-hint. It let's even the corrected (worstened) IPCC report look pale.

[AVGWarhawk]

Before you close the book on it as verse concerning global warming read the link to the article that is very convincing on the fabrication of global warming and cover up.

Post #50. 27 pages.