Women on submarines

[ETR3(SS)]

Because if everyone else does it we should too? How many of those navies operate nuclear submarines?

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Because if everyone else does it we should too? How many of those navies operate nuclear submarines?

What does nuclear power have to do with women serving aboard subs ?
You do know that modern AIP subs can stay in continuos operation for over a month ? Whats the difference with a nuclear sub that can stay in operation for 90 days and then has to go back to port to resupply ?
Citing nuclear propulsion for noit wanting women in subs is a strawman argument.

[ETR3(SS)]

Yes I am aware of the endurance of modern AIP submarines. My point being that a nuclear subs endurance is much longer than a month and on an Ohio class can be the full 90 days. Also there is no need to pull into a port to resupply. Many a time my boat has taken on supplies while not in a port via a smaller boat.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Yes I am aware of the endurance of modern AIP submarines. My point being that a nuclear subs endurance is much longer than a month and on an Ohio class can be the full 90 days. Also there is no need to pull into a port to resupply. Many a time my boat has taken on supplies while not in a port via a smaller boat.

Ok, but what has "boat endurance" have to do with having women onboard ?
Is it acceptable to have them on subs that go on patrol for 1 month, but not acceptable to have them on subs that go on patrol for several months ?
Why should that be ?

[ETR3(SS)]

We didn't have any stores onboard like the surface boats do. So when the women run out of tampons then what?

Here's another thing to consider. The whole reason the Navy is looking at putting women on submarines is because there is a lack of male volunteers. The reason for that is the Navy's fault. Every week bus loads of plebes are taken down to Bethesda Naval Hospital so they can get eye surgery. Reason for this is that the Navy can put more pilots in the cockpit. Before the days of PRK and LASIK if you had glasses you had 2 choices, surface fleet or subs.

Want another reason? Women are held to a different standard than men yet are doing the same jobs. For one the physical standards are different. Female standards are in some areas HALF of what it is for a male. Now whats something a woman can do but a man can't? That's right get pregnant. If a woman wants to have children I don't care. But if that woman becomes pregnant while attached to a sea command she transferred to a shore command for a period of two years. Someone has to take her place in the fleet, and that someone is a man. What did he do to deserve getting his shore cycle cut short? Not exactly "equal opportunity."

I am quite fervent about women in the military in general. This is probably best attributed to my first hand experience in the Navy. Having served afforded me an opportunity to see things that the average person doesn't get to see.

[sonicninja]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

We didn't have any stores onboard like the surface boats do. So when the women run out of tampons then what?

Here's another thing to consider. The whole reason the Navy is looking at putting women on submarines is because there is a lack of male volunteers. The reason for that is the Navy's fault. Every week bus loads of plebes are taken down to Bethesda Naval Hospital so they can get eye surgery. Reason for this is that the Navy can put more pilots in the cockpit. Before the days of PRK and LASIK if you had glasses you had 2 choices, surface fleet or subs.

Want another reason? Women are held to a different standard than men yet are doing the same jobs. For one the physical standards are different. Female standards are in some areas HALF of what it is for a male. Now whats something a woman can do but a man can't? That's right get pregnant. If a woman wants to have children I don't care. But if that woman becomes pregnant while attached to a sea command she transferred to a shore command for a period of two years. Someone has to take her place in the fleet, and that someone is a man. What did he do to deserve getting his shore cycle cut short? Not exactly "equal opportunity."

I am quite fervent about women in the military in general. This is probably best attributed to my first hand experience in the Navy. Having served afforded me an opportunity to see things that the average person doesn't get to see.

Im a serving member on a British Nuclear Submarine and I couldnt agree with this statement more,

pregnancy,
tampon stowage,
tampon waste disposal,
increased hormonal levels,
manpower reduction due to menstral cycling (to painfull to work)

to mention but a few aspects, in the Royal Navy Submarine Service we pride ourselves on getting the job done no matter what, and that doesnt involve gapped billets for pregnancy or doing extra hours in the planesman seat because some woman is on her menstral cycle and cant do her shift!
Women make great skimmers, lets leave them on the surface!

[bobchase]

Originally Posted by sonicninja

Im a serving member on a British Nuclear Submarine and I couldnt agree with this statement more,

pregnancy,
tampon stowage,
tampon waste disposal,
increased hormonal levels,
manpower reduction due to menstral cycling (to painfull to work)

to mention but a few aspects, in the Royal Navy Submarine Service we pride ourselves on getting the job done no matter what, and that doesnt involve gapped billets for pregnancy or doing extra hours in the planesman seat because some woman is on her menstral cycle and cant do her shift!
Women make great skimmers, lets leave them on the surface!

Just out of curiosity, where do they berth/sleep? Do they have their own berthing or do you have unisex berthing on the sub?

Bob Chase
USN, ETC