Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

Platapus · 11-21-09, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Oh wait, I forgot, scientists are human too.

And there are good scientists and bad scientists too.

Stealth Hunter · 11-21-09, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

And there are good scientists and bad scientists too.

And then there's Al Gore. Which reminds me, where exactly are their links to these "thousands of documents" the hackers posted on the Internet anyway? The Wall Street Journal certainly didn't take the liberty of providing any links to them... lol.

baggygreen · 11-21-09, 07:28 PM

posted yesterday neal

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

AVGWarhawk · 11-21-09, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

posted yesterday neal

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

Yes, I notice this yesterday. Then it only got to Fox news. Interesting that it has moved on to other news outfits. I wonder what will become of it?

FIREWALL · 11-21-09, 09:18 PM

I'm not going to take sides in this but, the "hacked part" is disturbing to me.

Take a moment to think about it.

Onkel Neal · 11-22-09, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

posted yesterday neal

You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges

What? Where?

Torplexed · 11-22-09, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

What? Where?

I think he's referring to this thread about the hacked e-mails posted Friday.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158430

AVGWarhawk · 11-22-09, 05:55 PM

Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes?

Skybird · 11-22-09, 06:19 PM

One should not overestimate this cyber-attack regarding "global warming all a fake". As a NASA climate specialist put it (retranslated from the German translation). "Science does not work becasue we all are so nice guys. Newton may have been an ar##e, but his gravitation laws still function until today."

There is an agenda behind the plan to attack and hack these mails. It is further islluzstrated that the maisl have been posted on several climate sceptics websites. Some, maybe much - who knows - of the material may be misunderstood vby beeing communication that is not shown in the context of the discussion between the sender and the recipient.

and certainly it is that climate research sees the same ammount of prestige-hungry egos craving for fame and recognition,l not to mention posts and incomes, and thus being vulnerable to corruption, like oyu see it in any other scientific branch as well.

The point is: even although currently climate temperatures are in a plateau phase (a plateau is a temporary phase of variables no longer shpowing significant chnages), and these mails have been hacked, there is overwhelming evidence that temperatures have been climbed dramatically since the beginning of the industrial age, that this cannot be explained by natural fluctuations linked to sun activity as the decisive variable, and that the world we live in undergoes dramatic chnages now and in the forseeable future.

One must close both eyes when leaving the house not to see that.

That this coup is revealed short before the - already failed anyway - climate summit in Copenhagen also says something.

German: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/n...662673,00.html

AngusJS · 11-22-09, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes?

The Nixon tapes were handed over voluntarily. These emails were stolen. Who knows what happened to them between the time they were hacked and their appearance on the web.

Onkel Neal · 11-22-09, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

I think he's referring to this thread about the hacked e-mails posted Friday.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=158430

Yeah, I see. It would help if people would make posts with halfway relevant titles

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What in the world....

baggygreen · 11-23-09, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, I see. It would help if people would make posts with halfway relevant titles

guilty

i was somewhat shocked at the content, be it real or fake, so you'll hvae to forgive my terrible titleing!

Torplexed · 11-21-09, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

And then there's Al Gore.

And the dangers of Gore-bull warming.

11-21-09, 09:18 PM	#5
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I'm not going to take sides in this but, the "hacked part" is disturbing to me. Take a moment to think about it. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-22-09, 05:55 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Hacked emails? Be leery of them? Sort of like the Nixon tapes? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-22-09, 06:19 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,703 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One should not overestimate this cyber-attack regarding "global warming all a fake". As a NASA climate specialist put it (retranslated from the German translation). "Science does not work becasue we all are so nice guys. Newton may have been an ar##e, but his gravitation laws still function until today." There is an agenda behind the plan to attack and hack these mails. It is further islluzstrated that the maisl have been posted on several climate sceptics websites. Some, maybe much - who knows - of the material may be misunderstood vby beeing communication that is not shown in the context of the discussion between the sender and the recipient. and certainly it is that climate research sees the same ammount of prestige-hungry egos craving for fame and recognition,l not to mention posts and incomes, and thus being vulnerable to corruption, like oyu see it in any other scientific branch as well. The point is: even although currently climate temperatures are in a plateau phase (a plateau is a temporary phase of variables no longer shpowing significant chnages), and these mails have been hacked, there is overwhelming evidence that temperatures have been climbed dramatically since the beginning of the industrial age, that this cannot be explained by natural fluctuations linked to sun activity as the decisive variable, and that the world we live in undergoes dramatic chnages now and in the forseeable future. One must close both eyes when leaving the house not to see that. That this coup is revealed short before the - already failed anyway - climate summit in Copenhagen also says something. German: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/n...662673,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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11-21-09, 07:28 PM	#3
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	posted yesterday neal You've got the first example I've seen anywhere of the real 'mainstream' media though, other than just the bbc with a sob story about how poor Jones' emails were stolen and he's considering police charges