To install or not to install.....

[Castout]

AAW for the allies ships are not that good in DWX.

But you don't get to play an AEGIS cruiser in DW afterall so why bother much?
I'm sure the upcoming patch will try to fix that.

DW is about sub and ASW it's not meant to be played as a task force simulation. Ha ha. Try fleet command for that. DW is really about playing sub and hunting for sub basically. That's the very reason they don't provide anything larger than FFG and the helo and P3 asides from the subs. DW predecessor SC was even solely about sub and there was no surface and air ASW playable.

[Mau]

Yeah but what about scenarios involving SSGN against Task group.
You need that kind of umbrella (even though you are not controlling them)
ASW means that you need to defend against AAW.
If you cannot then you miss the boat...
We are talking an ASW simulation in a modern warfare.

But I want to say many thanks to the developer of RA!
Well done.

[Castout]

Sure take the 688i launch Tomahawk anti ship missiles at Russian Task force lol you can see how effective their AAW is.



I don't get it too when they numb down US forces AAW

[goldorak]

The problem of AA screen for allied units is certainly there and has to be corrected in the next iteration. Just because you don't get to play an Arleigh Burke or Ticonderoga doesn't mean the AA screen of a task force has to be non existant. This is further compounded by the fact that RUSSIAN task forces have an AA screen worthy of this name.
So yes there is definitely an oversight or bias in the mod which has to be taken care of in the next version.

[XabbaRus]

I'm going to say something controversial here. I think the reason why the US units AAW is dumbed down is because the mod is made by Russian modders.

I've been around a few Russian language forums that discuss military matters and the conclusion I have come to is that they do not believe the US systems to be superior to their own.

However you will find that in the English speaking world we have strategypage which is almost as bad.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I'm going to say something controversial here. I think the reason why the US units AAW is dumbed down is because the mod is made by Russian modders.

I've been around a few Russian language forums that discuss military matters and the conclusion I have come to is that they do not believe the US systems to be superior to their own.

However you will find that in the English speaking world we have strategypage which is almost as bad.

No, I don't think the mod favours the russian units in any way. There are oversights that can be corrected, and since the database is going to be open in the future people will adjust to their liking the values (and maybe in the process destory the playability of the mod but thats another question).
Take for instance the subrocs, in DWX they are quite inoffensive. You can't base your strategy on launching subrocs and bet on sinking a sub (not only because you have to be precise, but also because the damage is very small compared to torpedos). Your primary ASW weapon is the torpedo, and then as a last resort tactics subrocs. As it should be.

Xabbarus, believe me I have had experience with Alfa Tau over more than one year and I can tell you that each game on the russian side is always reduced to launching several subrocs and waiting for the hit because 1 asroc hit = 100% damage even to enormous subs.
AT is impossibly imbalanced, much much worse than DWX ever was.
Each mission (and I'm talking about missions with 10 players on average) is always reduced to an subroc fest.
This is no way to play a game, the players not once launched torpedos because the subrocs are a god weapon in AT.

Now, since the modders are russian they use russian sources. For instance, in the case of the Alfa eveyone was shouting that it should have had an operating depth of 800 meters or so, just because US estimates said so. Estimates can be + or -, and in Norman Polmar's Cold War Submarines, many times american sources said that they overestimated russian capabilities making them appear more deadly than they actually were.
I think maybe the same thing happens from the russian side.
Back to the Alfa, the modders sent me a russian pubblication (a book published in russia and entirely devoted to the Alfa (a pity it is not translated in english ) and the tables clearly stated that the Alfa never even had a normal operating depth of 800 meters. But still, people believe in the "myth of the Alfa" and so think the modders are just picking figures out of their asses (pardon the expression).

[XabbaRus]

I know all about the Alfa.

I was just saying my opinion as one country set usually over or underestimates another countries capabilities.
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I think I will wait until a later build and keep an eye on the discussion.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I'm going to say something controversial here. I think the reason why the US units AAW is dumbed down is because the mod is made by Russian modders.

I've been around a few Russian language forums that discuss military matters and the conclusion I have come to is that they do not believe the US systems to be superior to their own.

However you will find that in the English speaking world we have strategypage which is almost as bad.

That is not controversial to me . It's just facts.

[XabbaRus]

Goldorak can you tell me the name of the Alfa book the Russian guys gave you.

I might get my inlaws to find it.

Cheers.

[Molon Labe]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I'm going to say something controversial here. I think the reason why the US units AAW is dumbed down is because the mod is made by Russian modders.

I've been around a few Russian language forums that discuss military matters and the conclusion I have come to is that they do not believe the US systems to be superior to their own.

However you will find that in the English speaking world we have strategypage which is almost as bad.

Just throwing this out there...

In stock SC and DW, the Russian AAW is superior to US, including AEGIS ships.

[Castout]

Oh really??