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Stormfly · 11-10-09, 02:03 PM

iam not shure if it was historical correct, but in a scene from "Das Boot", after a "ALARM" callout (command of preparation process for the emergency dive process)

, the commanding (watch)officer and last man on the bridge, after closing the hatch, gave a additional command "FLUTEN" ("flood"), without beeing able to watch on the cristmas tree. In another scene (Gibraltar), a crew member in the "Command Room" gave imidiatly command "FLUTEN" ("flood") after "ALARM" command from the bridge. The "Kaleun" than gave order "NICHT FLUTEN" ("dont flood") while still on the bridge, "LI" (Leading Engineer) than gave orders to blow tanks to prevent sub from diving and so on...

This also let me think, in emergency situations, the cristmas tree was reviewed from someone while the flooding was already commanded and perhaps also initiated...

11-10-09, 02:39 PM

well movies always "slaughter" reality for "good scenes" so in most cases they do things wrong but in real life there were im sure the occassional times proceedures were cut short because people make mistakes when scared.

Sailor Steve · 11-10-09, 05:09 PM

I would tend to agree with both of you. I'm sure in an emergency dive they wouldn't flood until given the order. The 'Christmas Tree' shows the man on the flood valves all the hatches and engine vents - everything that leads outside. While on patrol I'm sure they would keep everything right on the edge of diving. The torpedo loading hatches are secured, as are any other hatches except the one leading to the bridge. As soon as the dive order is given the engines are shut down and the engine intake vents shut. The only light on the panel that will still be red is that conning tower hatch. As soon as it shows green (or white, if U-571 is to be believed) they'll go ahead and pull the plug.

Another thing that's been missed so far is the reality of 'Decks Awash'. If the boat is trimmed positive it isn't going to dive at all. Going directly to a neutral trim and trying to lower the boat just a few feet is going to be very tricky. One slip and the captain and everyone else on the bridge crew is going to be swimming. I'm pretty sure the correct procedure was to dive the boat normally, then trim neutral and come back to the desired depth. Of course this would mean that all decks-awash attacks would have to be made on electric motors - no dashing around at high speed in that condition.

Letum · 11-10-09, 11:07 PM

My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy.
No?

finchOU · 11-11-09, 12:55 AM

Will there be any AI operated boats forming a Wolfpack?

There will be AI operated boats. Wolfpack mechanics are under consideration. This is something we always wanted to do but we want to do them properly so there’s a question if we’ll be able to fit them before release.

Nothing has changed I see. If you didnt have a warm fuzzy about Wolfpacks being a major upgrade in SH5 this should clue you in that it aint happening for sure! Reading between the lines: Under Consideration means Not going to happen. The second sentence means they will not be working on it before the release. Basically it was not a "must" for development..which...Again!...is very troubling from seeing how a Majority of subsimers think this is probably the most important feature that NEEDS to be added to push SH5 to the next level. Please dont be sheep....again....I probably will not purchase this product. I'm not saying its not hard to implement...but really...how different from SH3 can it be? Graphically sure...but gameplay wise? How is it I played a sim 15 years ago which at least tried to implement Wolfpacks and today have a company not even consider it a priority for release of a NEW sim? I mean...am I taking Crazy pills here?? haha. Can some Smart MoFo get a job with this company and finially figure out how to develop this feature? Its almost 2000 effing 10...Seriously!?!

Arclight · 11-11-09, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by finchOU

Nothing has changed I see.

Apart from AI boats and a whole list of features and improvements, not to mention a brand new engine? No, not really.

Sailor Steve · 11-12-09, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy.
No?

I'm not sure exactly how they would achieve that. They could pump out fairly precise amounts of water, but letting water in was accomplished by simply opening valves in the top ot the ballast tanks. I don't think they could control the exact amount that came in.

mookiemookie · 11-11-09, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course this would mean that all decks-awash attacks would have to be made on electric motors - no dashing around at high speed in that condition.

Not to mention that the diesel exhausts would most likely be submerged in a decks awash situation and would have to be closed.

looney · 11-11-09, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not to mention that the diesel exhausts would most likely be submerged in a decks awash situation and would have to be closed.

According to HA Werner (Iron Coffins) they used the electric engines a lot more than we are able to. So i don't know if that is bad. The reason for running Decks awash is to be more stealty and to be able to dive faster.

11-10-09, 02:03 PM	#1
Stormfly Serial Port Protector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,424 Downloads: 370 Uploads: 0	iam not shure if it was historical correct, but in a scene from "Das Boot", after a "ALARM" callout (command of preparation process for the emergency dive process) , the commanding (watch)officer and last man on the bridge, after closing the hatch, gave a additional command "FLUTEN" ("flood"), without beeing able to watch on the cristmas tree. In another scene (Gibraltar), a crew member in the "Command Room" gave imidiatly command "FLUTEN" ("flood") after "ALARM" command from the bridge. The "Kaleun" than gave order "NICHT FLUTEN" ("dont flood") while still on the bridge, "LI" (Leading Engineer) than gave orders to blow tanks to prevent sub from diving and so on... This also let me think, in emergency situations, the cristmas tree was reviewed from someone while the flooding was already commanded and perhaps also initiated... __________________ Stormy......

11-10-09, 05:09 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I would tend to agree with both of you. I'm sure in an emergency dive they wouldn't flood until given the order. The 'Christmas Tree' shows the man on the flood valves all the hatches and engine vents - everything that leads outside. While on patrol I'm sure they would keep everything right on the edge of diving. The torpedo loading hatches are secured, as are any other hatches except the one leading to the bridge. As soon as the dive order is given the engines are shut down and the engine intake vents shut. The only light on the panel that will still be red is that conning tower hatch. As soon as it shows green (or white, if U-571 is to be believed) they'll go ahead and pull the plug. Another thing that's been missed so far is the reality of 'Decks Awash'. If the boat is trimmed positive it isn't going to dive at all. Going directly to a neutral trim and trying to lower the boat just a few feet is going to be very tricky. One slip and the captain and everyone else on the bridge crew is going to be swimming. I'm pretty sure the correct procedure was to dive the boat normally, then trim neutral and come back to the desired depth. Of course this would mean that all decks-awash attacks would have to be made on electric motors - no dashing around at high speed in that condition. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-10-09, 11:07 PM	#4
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	My impression was that decksawash was achieved not with neutral buoyancy and dive planes, but with diminished positive buoyancy. No? __________________

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11-10-09, 02:39 PM	#2
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	well movies always "slaughter" reality for "good scenes" so in most cases they do things wrong but in real life there were im sure the occassional times proceedures were cut short because people make mistakes when scared.

11-11-09, 12:55 AM	#5
finchOU Samurai Navy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 571 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Will there be any AI operated boats forming a Wolfpack? There will be AI operated boats. Wolfpack mechanics are under consideration. This is something we always wanted to do but we want to do them properly so there’s a question if we’ll be able to fit them before release. Nothing has changed I see. If you didnt have a warm fuzzy about Wolfpacks being a major upgrade in SH5 this should clue you in that it aint happening for sure! Reading between the lines: Under Consideration means Not going to happen. The second sentence means they will not be working on it before the release. Basically it was not a "must" for development..which...Again!...is very troubling from seeing how a Majority of subsimers think this is probably the most important feature that NEEDS to be added to push SH5 to the next level. Please dont be sheep....again....I probably will not purchase this product. I'm not saying its not hard to implement...but really...how different from SH3 can it be? Graphically sure...but gameplay wise? How is it I played a sim 15 years ago which at least tried to implement Wolfpacks and today have a company not even consider it a priority for release of a NEW sim? I mean...am I taking Crazy pills here?? haha. Can some Smart MoFo get a job with this company and finially figure out how to develop this feature? Its almost 2000 effing 10...Seriously!?!