The Tigers Lair

[WarlordATF]

Good Pics! This map shows what was moored where on the morning of the attack. The default game shows the wrecks of (I Believe) The California, The Oklahoma and The Arizona, Are there others i've missed?

[Torplexed]

Pearl Harbor permanent wrecks should also include the target ship and former battleship Utah. (Although an unimportant target, due to her flat decks some Japanese pilots mistook her for a carrier) In addition, the battleship Nevada was run aground during her attempt to sortie during the attack and was beached near Hospital Point. However, she wasn't there long as she was refloated on February 12th 1942 and entered Pearl Harbor Navy Yard's new Drydock Number Two on February 18th.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Those were the major wrecks and hulks you mention, Oklahoma was dockside and gutted slowly ditto Arizona, her conning tower was in the weeds for years on Ford Island, some scrap is still there. All of the BB's except for Arizona were eventually salved to some degree or another, except for Utah which was a gunnery target I believe. There is quite a good Pearl in one of the flight sims, i remember doing flight training over the harbour but dont remember for sure if it was Pacific Fighters or Heroes of the Pacific. They are working on a mod for CFS2 to do a decent Pearl but it is a very old engine and very little detail is possible. I think the SH series is our only real hope eventually of getting the complete Pearl.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

All of the BB's except for Arizona were eventually salved to some degree or another, except for Utah which was a gunnery target I believe.

A painful payback for the Japanese. Admiral Nagumo who commanded the Japanese carrier fleet during the raid, fell from grace after the Midway and Guadalcanal debacles and was eventually demoted to various unimportant posts before being given command of a small naval flotilla in the Marianas. During the US invasion of Saipan in 1944, he ruefully noted that many of the battleships his fleet had sunk in Pearl Harbor back in 1941, were now bombarding the island he was trapped on. He committed suicide a few days later.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Indeed. It was a matter of Honour among the Navy of that time to restore the aging BB's even tho many realized the day of the big gun battleship was over.... they still served vital functions in the fleet, but were no longer the sole queens of the waves..the flat tops and the flat top based task force had replaced them. Still, I heard that there was no thought of not restoring the ships bombed and torpedoed at Pearl, and they all were except for the Arizona. It was an amazing shock to the Fleet to suffer the same fate of the Italian fleet at Taranto, even tho in the annual naval games many times the attack on "home base" fleets was seen, both in the table top battles at Annapolis and the Naval War College and the annual War Games or Fleet Problems at sea. I still can feel the deep shock that shook tne entire senior Naval establishment as i study or hear of those days, ...in some ways it broke open the deeply fossilized top command structure that was, in a way similar to the senior IJN fleet brass hats, still dominated in the early 40's by the Big Gun Big Fleet Naval ideal.

It was a rapid shift to a projection of force based on indiivudal pilots carrying relatively small weapons loads...but acting in concert and in sufficient numbers to sink any major fleet unit....and to the use of unrestricted submarine warfare that not even the IJN leaders would countenance until it was too late.

[G2B]

Hers a couple more pics of the Nevada

[G2B]

Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

They are working on a mod for CFS2 to do a decent Pearl but it is a very old engine and very little detail is possible.

As far as CFS2, the engine is old and some of the difficulties are getting the ships to act properly They just don't want to roll over but with a few of mods the game itself is amazing.

[Bubblehead1980]

CFS II is my favorite flight sim, i used to play it quite a bit.I loved the realism of actually having to fly the plane, plus fight it, some intense dogfights.Yea the engine is old and ships and AI planes do not act correctly sometimes.I wish another PTO CFS would come out, with the improvements.Microsoft, get on it!

[jazman]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

CFS II is my favorite flight sim, i used to play it quite a bit.I loved the realism of actually having to fly the plane, plus fight it, some intense dogfights.Yea the engine is old and ships and AI planes do not act correctly sometimes.I wish another PTO CFS would come out, with the improvements.Microsoft, get on it!

Microsoft shut down the ACES team completely. There is nothing left. That includes Flight Simulator.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...ator_partners/

[G2B]

Originally Posted by jazman

Microsoft shut down the ACES team completely. There is nothing left. That includes Flight Simulator.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...ator_partners/

Twas a sad day when we got news of this. But we still have a very active cfs2 community still developing everythiing from planes ships and scenery. (shhhhhhh don't tell anyone but we also have jets and helicopters )


Enough bout cfs 2 this concept of Pearl sounds interesting. I wonder what it would take to rework the "eye candy"? The overall attack would be to much I think (never say never) but just the overall look on the 8th