Lets go Green !!!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

If it is so above board and beyond reproach, why go to great lengths to deny it?



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...l_warming.html

Where does he deny it? He expressly says that he is investing in the industry because he believes in it. I don't see him denying the intention to profit anywhere whatsoever in the clip you provided.

I often agree with you, SW, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree in the "Gore forest" here. The problem isn't so much that Gore is profiting from green industry or supporting it through investment, it is that he is helping to create artificial demand for such things, and he is using the state to create that demand.

Perhaps you misstated yourself, or perhaps I misunderstood the point you were driving at, but I am sure that ultimately, we have the same opinion.

What you mean to say is that you oppose Gore's use of the state and the elctorate to push his own business agenda, yes?

[Zachstar]

There is no "Artificial Demand" for grid improvements. There is massive demand due to new power plants opening and massive amounts of alt energy installations. That is not going to change. Our grid is a joke. Its old and prone to failure and any way to increase its efficiency is not only good for the environment but good for business.

And seriously I am wondering that the surprise is about. Is this not the same as Boeing supporting the military buying its aircraft or oil firms campaigning for opening up tar sands and offshore drilling more?

And yes I fully support mandates because many businesses are scared to look a few years ahead. They assumed too much that market forces would keep oil at just above 100USD and they got their butts handed to them with hyper expensive transportation fuels. Green tech developments are not just important for Al Gore and greenies or polar bears. They are a major part of national security and national economy in a crisis.

For instance the US Armed forces are the ones mainly pushing Algae oil tech. The only alternative to them to get away from fossil oil is Gas to Liquids or Coal to liquids which are known as massively expensive alternatives that belch Co2 like crazy. The Air force depends on years of fuel to keep its buffs flying but a company often just thinks in quarters.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Where does he deny it? He expressly says that he is investing in the industry because he believes in it.

Well that at least gives people a hint why he won't debate anybody on the issue. He actually has a financial stake in it.

To me Gore is a discredited fraud 10 times over. But he is a salesman indeed making a living off of scaring the wits out of people on this issue. Just like many before him has done.

[Zachstar]

Gore seriously started us on a path away from Terrorist oil. That I give him credit for. Despite your slanderous fraud claim. Gore makes good investments and talks them up for profit. Just like just about every business in the states.

And frankly I could care less what he is making off of this. He reinvests it in other green companies that move us further and further away from terrorist oil.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Gore seriously started us on a path away from Terrorist oil. That I give him credit for. Despite your slanderous fraud claim. Gore makes good investments and talks them up for profit. Just like just about every business in the states.

And frankly I could care less what he is making off of this. He reinvests it in other green companies that move us further and further away from terrorist oil.

I don't care what he makes either. Let him do it. I'm just looking at it from the standpoint that he won't debate anyone on it, and he makes money off of people's false fears. Big deal. He's a slick salesman. And yes, a total fraud.

And we still need oil. Like it or not. Too bad we aren't tapping our own reserves in the several regions we have it. The Gulf of Mexico has quite a bit on it's own. I guess it's just easier to let China and Cuba have it. I don't think the oil down there belongs to "terrorists".

[Zachstar]

As long as we are using more oil than our wells that are running TODAY are producing we are one way or another buying terrorist oil.

New production takes 10 years from approval to market. = useless

Tho I have to admit I am intrigued by the idea of using laser cutting to recover more oil in existing sites. It uses alot more power but it is fast and does not contact the surface. They are saying it could cut down drilling on land by a third.

You see despite the shrill calls to give the oil companies whatever the hell they want. They can and are evolving on their own. And boatloads of new tech investments are slowly but surely starting to reduce the need for oil. Of course my favorite is Algae oil. But things such as replacing oil plastics with american grown bioplastics are good investments as well in my opinion.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

As long as we are using more oil than our wells that are running TODAY are producing we are one way or another buying terrorist oil.

New production takes 10 years from approval to market. = useless

Tho I have to admit I am intrigued by the idea of using laser cutting to recover more oil in existing sites. It uses alot more power but it is fast and does not contact the surface. They are saying it could cut down drilling on land by a third.

You see despite the shrill calls to give the oil companies whatever the hell they want. They can and are evolving on their own. And boatloads of new tech investments are slowly but surely starting to reduce the need for oil. Of course my favorite is Algae oil. But things such as replacing oil plastics with american grown bioplastics are good investments as well in my opinion.

This is precisely why the Democrats are going to have trouble in the future. With the cost of generating electricity being expensive and rising, this is pie in the sky stuff. Not worthless by any means. But we need oil resources today to drive and grow our economy. This is not an overnight process. The cost, current strain, current supply, and demand for oil is another reason why the economy is struggling. The highly touted "green jobs" vision just ain't happening in the now. Nor is it coming in the near term.

And BTW, 15 years ago, the "it takes 10 years to bring it online" argument was used. We shouldn't have listened to liberals. Had we not, we would have another stream of oil resources, and the supply wouldn't be as strained as it is. In reality, Oil, nuclear, coal, and natural gas aren't going anywhere for awhile. Believe what you want. It won't help the Democrats in anyway to continue to keep the American people from resources it has, needs, and can develop and use on it's own to get the economy growing. Developing alternatives is nice, but that alone is going to hurt the Democrats as energy gets ever more expensive to produce in the future if they continue down this road of alternatives as the primacy to the detriment of needed resources now.

[Zachstar]

People didn't want to drill for more oil then and they don't want to now. Otherwise Obama would never have won. People just want to continue driving their SUVs like nothing is happening.

Again the oil companies are adapting to not getting stuff handed to them on a silver platter. Exxon reports using 3D technology to improve dilling rates and better forecasts the idea of laser drilling is progressing so on and so forth.

On top of that the US Navy is developing fusion. Pb11 style without the massive neutron production. Power positive results could come in 2 years which would scare OPEC into opening up everything they have to sell what they can before demand washes away.

OPEC is already acting very weird. They are noting how the oil prices of last year caused massive demand destruction and instead of talking like they need to raise em they are talking about how they need to increase production. They know their failure to ward off extreme prices last year cost them a great deal of support and helped trigger more movement towards efficiency.

The Gulf of Mexico has quite a bit on it's own. I guess it's just easier to let China and Cuba have it.

Well I suppose America could invade places to take their oil, or perhaps just out bid China to win the contracts.